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Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by wpietri »

fastball wrote: post #26
hmahncke wrote: post #2

Well, I do have to log in with my google account to read it...

Not if you had signed up for the mailing list, which is how mailing lists are supposed to work.

It's how mailing lists were supposed to work circa 1992. But web archives for mailing lists are more than 20 years old. [1] And honestly, I'm not sure "supposed to work" is correct. It's how they did work, sure, but thinking back to the mailing lists I set up pre-web, the goal was to create a forum many people could use. That a mailing list was used to do that was a function of the available tech and how people connected.

And I'll note that from what I can tell, forum software predates mailing list software. LISTSERV only goes back to 1986. [2] Forum software goes back to the mid-1970s [3], and the WELL was started in 1985 [4]. So I think it's reasonable to argue that online forums are the "real" experience, and mailing lists were more an implementation constraint for the decade or so that email popularity outstripped the richer interfaces of the terminal era and the web era.

[1] http://www.lsoft.com/corporate/history-listserv.asp

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISTSERV

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONFER_(software)

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_WELL

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by jmull »

The TLDR to me is:

OK, yes, it is Google's language. But it's OK because someone has to control it after all, and Google is doing it well. And anyone could fork it if they wanted to.

(I don't mean to suggest I agree or don't agree, just trying to understand and state the main points.)

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by tacosx »

planetjones wrote: post #49

Google’s takeover of deja news and its formation into groups.google.com was always a mess, but it seems to have got even worse. Now it’s at the point I can’t access the article on iOS safari. First it forced me to log on. Ok I did that. After which the redirects lost the deep link, so I reached a generic landing page. I tried going back but there were more redirects which made that difficult. I finally came back to H…

I had the same experience, but never actually got the groups page to load.

Hey googlers remember a cool little thing called the URI? Can we make that just work again without all this session/auth nonsense wrapped around everything? I am not interested in your accounts.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by objektif »

c3534l wrote: post #58

Everyone's upset that Go is Google's language, but no one would have adopted it if it weren't. It's not enough to have a cool idea for a language, even if your cool idea is not to put any new cool ideas in the language. You have to be Mozilla, or Google, or someone it seems in order to convince people this language is for real and will be supported for many years to come, and will have a healthy ecosystem. If I had m…

Is that really true though? What abiut python and javascript for example? Did they have a giant corp behind them?

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by c3534l »

fastball wrote: post #22
Crinus wrote: post #18

So if it isn't Google's language, does it mean i can go and make my own compiler for it, call it -say- "Crinus Go" (to differentiate it from Google's Go but still point out that it is an implementation of Go) and not worry about Google coming after me?

The language is not the name. The name is protected.

I'm not so sure. Technically the name isn't Go, since that was already a protected name in use by someone else. So it's "Golang." And if "Golang" is acceptably different from "Go," I don't see why "Cnus-Go" shouldn't be different enough, too. It seems like at the very least you'd have to call it "Cnus-Golang" in order to start infringing on their IP.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by lake99 »

brianberns wrote: post #7
nickcw wrote: post #4

A very well written piece by Ian Lance Taylor. If you don't want to read it all, he summarizes it here: > In effect, then, the current state is what the blog post suggests at the very end: final decisions about the Go language are made by the core Go team, and the core Go team all work at Google, but there is no meaningful sense in which Google, apart from the core Go team, makes decisions about the language.

> There is no meaningful sense in which Google, apart from the core Go team, makes decisions about the language. That's like saying that there's no meaningful sense in which I, apart from my brain and nervous system, make decisions about what my body does.

Not at all. Google Chrome and Android are produced by Google too. And yet, the user tracking or advertising sections of Google have their interests met through Chrome and Android. If the Chrome and Android teams had only their users' interests in mind, ad blocking and tracker blocking would have been built into these products.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by steveklabnik »

holografix wrote: post #62
purpleidea wrote: post #60

It's obvious that Golang is Google's language. The most obvious part is they require a CLA that gives them and only them special rights. It's a sham.

Care to explain what a CLA is? Assuming a legal term...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by fwip »

holografix wrote: post #62
purpleidea wrote: post #60

It's obvious that Golang is Google's language. The most obvious part is they require a CLA that gives them and only them special rights. It's a sham.

Care to explain what a CLA is? Assuming a legal term...?

Contributor License Agreement - basically that you agree they can use your code, modify it and distribute it.

Re: Ian Lance Taylor's Response to “Go Is Google's Language”

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Post by zemo »

objektif wrote: post #65
c3534l wrote: post #58

Everyone's upset that Go is Google's language, but no one would have adopted it if it weren't. It's not enough to have a cool idea for a language, even if your cool idea is not to put any new cool ideas in the language. You have to be Mozilla, or Google, or someone it seems in order to convince people this language is for real and will be supported for many years to come, and will have a healthy ecosystem. If I had m…

Is that really true though? What abiut python and javascript for example? Did they have a giant corp behind them?

... Python was led by a Google employee for seven years.
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