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Post by gvand »

bryanwb wrote: post #135
gvand wrote: post #106

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> Crossfit (done properly) is leagues better for your overall health than weightlifting, running, bicycling, you name it. Says who? Links, please.

My own experience doing all three.

N=1, as someone would say. I asked because if there are real and evident health benefits i expect it to be documented somewhere.

And considering that crossfit isn't anything substantially different that things available in other disciplines (weightlifting, etc...), i don't expect it to be substantially different even in the outcomes.

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Post by viksit »

tw04 wrote: post #7
chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

If you've ever been an athlete, and have spent 30 seconds watching crossfit - it becomes obvious the goal is to see how dumb of an "exercise" you can do before getting hurt. There are two type of crossfitters - those who have gotten a permanent and serious injury, and those who are going to get one.

Curiously - have you personally tried it?

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Post by adrianN »

User23 wrote: post #85
xwdv wrote: post #82

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That’s because people are impatient and weak. Dead hang pullups are real pullups. Kipping only leads you to kipping muscle ups. Go on YouTube and see examples of real muscle ups from dead hangs with no momentum. That is true strength, and a worthy goal. The sooner you stop kipping, the faster you can get there.

I have the greatest respect for gymnasts, because they are basically top of the heap for pound for pound strength. It's not an area of expertise for me though, so please enlighten me: if using momentum to get a kipping muscle up and then gradually reducing the momentum assist until you can do it strictly isn't the right progression, what is?

A lot of bodyweight exercises, muscle ups included, have a strong technique component. Kipping teaches bad habits that you need to unlearn to learn a "real" muscle ups.

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Post by tomp »

User23 wrote: post #126
lwansbrough wrote: post #89

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Powerlifting is definitely not the same as general CrossFit and is pretty obviously a dangerous sport. I would guess that based on the amount of jerking and twisting I see in CrossFitters doing powerlifting that the injury rate would be higher still within that specific discipline. Again, all speculation on my part. I’m thinking an intense workout with good form and control vs. a standard CrossFit workout.

Powerlifting is probably the most dangerous weight lifting discipline, because of the bench press[1]. Almost all of these are due to lifting alone, without a spotter, and without proper safety mechanisms (like a rack with crossbars). This seems to be a downvote happy thread, but this needs to be said: Don't bench without a spotter or safety gear. Ever! [1] https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2003/05001/U_S__.…

I don't bench that often, but I do it without a spotter or safety gear. I use normal grip (not the thumbless "suicide" grip), never go to failure, do medium-low weight/medium-high reps (8-12), and most importantly, I don't lock the weights, so worst comes to worst, I can always just tilt the bar and drop the weights...

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Post by dogma1138 »

amluto wrote: post #16
dominotw wrote: post #15

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Always wondered how one of my friends is uninjured from CrossFit doing it 3 times a week for 10 yrs. I am guessing he doesn't push himself to the limit.

Supposedly there are (rare) good CrossFit trainers who keep their class safe.

There are plenty of “bad” trainers out there in any field.

And by bad it doesn’t mean they don’t know what they should be doing but rather cave into the demands of their clients that want quick results and to feel the pump.

Just look at how many people go straight into weight lifting with compound exercises without first spending months working on stability, flexibility and burst speed/power.

Then what happens is that they get into a worse state and hit a wall even if they now can bench press 1.5 their body weight.

You would be much better off benching only 100 lbs while being able to stand straight against a wall while keeping your lower back, shoulder blades, elbows and the back of your palm against the wall comfortably throughout a shoulder press.

I’ve literally seen people getting so stiff after “training” for 6 months that I’m not sure if even 2 years of corrective exercises could bring them back to their starting point yet alone to the point where they can start building muscles safely.

And while in the mid 20’s to mid 30’s they might not notice it once they hit their 40’s and couldn’t stand straight because their lats and delts were developed incorrectly and they have no core they sure will.

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Post by timClicks »

tomp wrote: post #154
User23 wrote: post #126

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Powerlifting is probably the most dangerous weight lifting discipline, because of the bench press[1]. Almost all of these are due to lifting alone, without a spotter, and without proper safety mechanisms (like a rack with crossbars). This seems to be a downvote happy thread, but this needs to be said: Don't bench without a spotter or safety gear. Ever! [1] https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2003/05001/U_S__.…

I don't bench that often, but I do it without a spotter or safety gear. I use normal grip (not the thumbless "suicide" grip), never go to failure, do medium-low weight/medium-high reps (8-12), and most importantly, I don't lock the weights, so worst comes to worst, I can always just tilt the bar and drop the weights...

If the worst comes to worst, push the bar down to your belly. You have saved your neck this way, giving yourself the chance to tilt the bar in a controlled manner after a breath. If you are already failing, tilting the bar might be too much without more O2

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Post by parliament32 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #113
inglondon wrote: post #37

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I can't verify the quality of these studies but it seems that injury rates per 1000 active hours of crossfit at 0.27 - 0.74 [1] are significantly lower than more common sports such as running at 2.9 - 4.4 and basketball at 6.3 - 12.9 [2] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6201188/ [2] http://bionics.seas.ucla.edu/education/Rowing/Injury_2004_01...

Importantly, the study "assumes" that participants performed a "maximum number of hours per week" rather than measuring the actual hours per week. Because they "assume" the amount of time spent exercising, their injuries per 1000 hours metric is simply wrong. Specifically, this study conflicts with several other studies that found significantly higher rates of injury (and which this study acknowledges), including 2 s…

>this study conflicts with several other studies that found significantly higher rates of injury

Can you provide a citation?

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Post by parliament32 »

hi5eyes wrote: post #61
121789 wrote: post #52

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Don't think it's a geographical split. Crossfit is great if you have really well-informed trainers that put a strong emphasis on getting form and movements correct. Unfortunately there are significant numbers of trainers that do not have the qualifications to be teaching and they put people at serious risk of injury (and end up creating ridiculous exercises for the internet to make fun of).

kipping is fucking hilarious

Kipping is great when you're competing for maximum reps in a certain amount of time. You should be able to do the strict exercises first, of course, but the point of kipping is for a competitive advantage -- kipping is ridiculously less taxing on the muscles, and makes pull ups / muscle ups more of a cardio contest than pure strength.

Dribbling looks hilarious too, and basketball is supposed to be a passing game[1], but dribbling isn't illegal and gives the player a competitive advantage in the same vein.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dribbling#Basketball

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Post by parliament32 »

wallace_f wrote: post #21
amluto wrote: post #16

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Supposedly there are (rare) good CrossFit trainers who keep their class safe.

Supposedly. In personal experience, I've observed an actual 100% fit for people who lack critical thinking skills, or often even general intelligence, and significant Crossfit engagement. I really do think it is an obviously anti-intellectual consumer cult. I know many people who have tried it and decided it was not reasonable. Edit: I think my comment comes across as a generalized put-down, which rubbed people the w…

>Every single person I know that has really fallen into the Crossfit consumer cult is as far as I can tell a person who proves themselves to be susceptible to morally bankrupt, intellectually inept ideas.

Those are probably the vocal ones. Plenty do crossfit and don't harp about it to everyone they meet -- it's just a form of exercise, like running or going for a swim.

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Post by parliament32 »

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #88

Two things stand out to me as startling/interesting. First, CrossFit is sort of presenting FB as a public health threat. Obviously it is, but I don’t hear a lot of entities make that argument. Second, CrossFit is doing a role reversal, saying that they will place FB under review, they will decide if FB is an appropriate platform for them. In a way, they’re assuming a dominating position (yes everyone knows FB is bigg…

The cool part is that they kinda do have a dominant position: FB recently offered them $5M for exclusive rights to stream their live media coverage (the annual "games"), and they not only turned them down, but are now turning against them completely.
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