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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Sure. But for South Korea and Japan it's less so; those nations already take a national security posture that leaves them exposed if the US were to turn against them.

South Korea and Japan have been allies of the US for quite a long time and have zero reason to think that would ever change.

Exactly - so "the US could flip a switch and sabotage our technology" may not be a particular concern for them.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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That's interesting. Do you have any more info on where they are putting those factories?

Everywhere from Nigeria to Lesotho basically. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35288650-the-next-factor...

Those stories are exaggerated. Using Ethiopia as an example, there is no infrastructure, unreliable electricity, widespread crime, no direct sea connection, and a literacy rate of only 55%. Average IQ is 69.

If you build a factory there, you have to also build the power plant, the roads or rails, train and educate the workforce, and secure everything.

Contrast that against somewhere like Indonesia, where you have literacy rates of 95%, decent infrastructure, and average IQ of 87.

On top of all that, the 'best' workers in Africa, which could be your foremen or managers, are usually already comfortably employed directly or indirectly thanks to foreign aid.

If Africa truly wants development, they should just lease out huge tracts of land to the Chinese for 200 years, and give them authority over it all.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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I have a few comments on this. First, Google as a money making corporation would probably not like this restriction enforced by the US government. Second, I used to use Android and when I did I avoided installing any apps, preferring to use web versions of the services I needed. The Huawei phones could be functional with some thoughtful default setups, home screen icons linked to appropriate web URIs, etc. The big kicker would be lack of games.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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We already know this, which is why we want a free platform based on AOSP and replacements for Google services.

... or just a Free platform that doesn't have a malware-able god process called zygote and all those insane layers of abstraction Android has.

>that doesn't have a malware-able god process called zygote

What?

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #72

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Isn’t Android open source? So why can’t Huawei simply fork it?

Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Launcher, Phone app, Messages, Contacts, Calendar. All proprietary. Notification API, Location API, SMS APIs and step counter APIs, and even the new app format. All proprietary. It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. If you…

Phone companies tried to replace the open versions first. Google was faced with either: a different version of Android on each phone (with the apps replaced,) or making their own versions.

Note too that they could have gone the Microsoft IE route and declared various apps as part of the OS. Instead they made their apps separate from Android, and let them succeed by bundling them together. Amazon Fire is at least one example where the Play Store et al. are not installed.

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post #79

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Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Launcher, Phone app, Messages, Contacts, Calendar. All proprietary. Notification API, Location API, SMS APIs and step counter APIs, and even the new app format. All proprietary. It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. If you…

Phone companies tried to replace the open versions first. Google was faced with either: a different version of Android on each phone (with the apps replaced,) or making their own versions. Note too that they could have gone the Microsoft IE route and declared various apps as part of the OS. Instead they made their apps separate from Android, and let them succeed by bundling them together. Amazon Fire is at least one…

> different version of Android on each phone (with the apps replaced)

No, their action actually lead to this in the first place — previously, each manufacturer slightly modified the AOSP apps, now each manufacturer actually builds their entirely custom apps for this purpose, as most can’t or don’t want to license Google’s apps for that purpose (they license the base Google Play apps, but e.g. not messages or the phone app or the launcher).

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #113

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> Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Replacing those bits is still less work than writing your own entire OS. There are even open source projects to replace those bits.

Yes, microG exists and is amazing — but even it is only replacing an absolutely tiny part of the APIs, and even those it can’t replace fully yet and a lot of work is still to be done. I remember days when Android was still open, nowadays I’m fighting against the ever-increasing restrictions with my open source apps with every single OS update.

No, no, no - GP isn't saying replace the bits that support the proprietary Google services.

They're saying that there's easy and simple drop in replacements, app and service wise that can hook into better services/ones you host.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #113
post #79

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Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Launcher, Phone app, Messages, Contacts, Calendar. All proprietary. Notification API, Location API, SMS APIs and step counter APIs, and even the new app format. All proprietary. It's a huge undertaking building an app for Android today without using Google's services, and sometimes even impossible. If you…

> Google has spent the last decade cutting apart the open part of Android and making it more and more proprietary. Replacing those bits is still less work than writing your own entire OS. There are even open source projects to replace those bits.

If you're reading this, and would like to see a solid selection of these: www.F-Droid.org

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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post #115

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The play store is not the sole way to distribute apps. You can download the .apk files, or get them by mail, or use another play store that has the same apps. The play store is just a repository of some apps.

I believe the Play store is treated 'special' though - F-Droid can't install apps in the same way unless you're rooted and install the priv-app.

That seems like a violation of anit-trustlaws. I'm surprised the FSF hasn't pursued this route against google.
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