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The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by taffer »

necovek wrote: post #52

The article links to an interesting view on how even AOSP is a no-go for Huawei: https://www.xda-developers.com/analysis-huawei-aosp-google-b... What I find interesting is that Apache Licensed software can be relicensed even in proprietary form (as long as you make it a derivative work, with your derivative bits with a proprietary license), thus the easy way out seems to be to have a non-US entity make a proprietary…

This is really interesting and raises further questions from me:

- Can open source licenses be unilaterally revoked?

- Is Google the sole proprietor of AOSP?

- If there are other proprietors of AOSP, do they have a say?

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by geocar »

rickdeckard wrote: post #42
harryf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

BB10 is based on QNX platform, I strongly doubt that QNX is independent from any US assets, patents, licenses, so moving from Android to BB10 is just "more of the same"

Blackberry is a Canadian company. Harman International (the former owner of QNX) was a subsidiary of a South Korean company.

I don't understand what you mean about "US assets, patents, licenses" -- what are you thinking about here?

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by Justsignedup »

Ugh... Google owns the android brand. Is this somehow news?

Google open sources the core operating system and people use it for embedded systems or grad projects as reference materials.

If anyone wants to know what Android is like without Google, look at Amazon Kindle. Amazon did the whole no Google Android.

Point is that this should have shocked nobody.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by nextos »

ehonda wrote: post #159
harryf wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s possible that Google cutting off Huawei will actually backfire, because it makes having a viable alternative to Android a MUST HAVE instead of just NICE TO HAVE. Perhaps it’s possible to resurrect Blackberry 10 ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_10 ) for example, which seemed to be an impressive piece of engineering that got trampled by Blackberrys failing business. I played with a demo once that could…

I have both an S9 and a BlackBerry Q10 on me every day. The BB10 OS, even though its now defunct, was designed in a way that it is FAR easier and more practical to use. I really, really hate the Android interface as a result. 1: BlackBerry hub is a lot nicer to view messages 2: Smart use of Bezel gestures makes it much easier to actually interact with the phone: -If you want to access the hub while using an app, you…

BB10 is nice. Meego, as seen in the Nokia N9 was a really good UI too. Extremely elegant card interface, that meshed so well with a curved OLED screen. In 2011.

I would love to see an alternative to the iOS / Android duopoly. One way to go would be a better F-Droid ecosystem, and pure AOSP.

But perhaps, even better, a true Linux userland. Maemo lives on with Jolla. Although I hate they still have many closed components.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by ggg2 »

gsich wrote: post #46
petra wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And everybody will still install Play, Because many apps need Google Play Services.

Just remember the shit Microsoft had to do with the browser selection screen.

which was a direct result of Google suing them to show it.

oh the irony!

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by addicted »

hutzlibu wrote: post #131
noselasd wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also google, are they so bowed down to the government, What choice do they have ? Comply with law or be heavily fined, shut down, executives jailed for compromising nation security.

The same choice company allways have when acing government Intervention: they can fight in court. I believe thats why they have lawyers.

They will fight in court and lose. What the US govt is doing is completely legal, no matter where you stand on the morality or sensibleness of these actions.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by senorjazz »

pas wrote: post #56

“Consumers are attached to the Google products and services that sit on top of the operating system,” I doubt that. Google is pretty bad at keeping users. (Probably GMail is the strongest anchor point, but as we have seen with the G+ real name gotcha, it's better to be prepared to stop using that. Though of course most GMail users are not prepared for that.) Users will use whatever is the default. Probably the YouTub…

last I checked youtube could be used with a web browser...

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by ggg2 »

dagw wrote: post #47
turtlecloud wrote: post #43

So they trigger the PRC gov to build their own OS. A temporary setback or worse? Who do we bet on in 10 yrs? State sponsored technology or Google? My bet is on China.

So they trigger the PRC gov to build their own OS They've tried before. Anybody else remember Kylin and Red Flag OS?

which ended with Microsoft running to give them windows source for inspection.

redflagOS was a huge success when you see the goals and few resources invested.

Re: The Huawei Disaster Reveals Google’s Iron Grip on Android

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Post by senorjazz »

dagw wrote: post #40
tech6 wrote: post #39

Can someone explained what happened recently to cause such aggressive action against Huawei with ARM , Google etc refusing to work with them. Is it related to arrest of their executive recently ?

It's part of the US/China trade war. Trump believed the existing tariff situation with China was unfair and wanted to negotiate a new trade deal. When negotiations failed he started to implement a bunch of tariffs and trade restrictions on chines goods and companies to try to force their hand. This is just a part of that 'negotiation' strategy. Google, Arm etc. don't want to stop doing business with Huawei (since doi…

Incompetent and failing administration flailing around in an increasingly desperate way
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