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UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io

"After being questioned as a result of the interview, the British Government denied receiving any funds from the sale of .io domain names" So according to the linked article, no: .io names give nothing to Britain.

someone must be getting it, and it's not the islanders... so it's either the UK government, or someone they sold/gave the rights to.

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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Don't kid yourself that this is about the islander's claims. They are being used as human shields. Diego Garcia is a very strategic location. It will always be controlled by one of the great powers. Who would benefit most if the US were to leave? Who has the most to gain? Countries like China and Iran.

I don't think that's necessarily true. The UK has acted badly here and the islanders should have a right to live on their native islands.

Just because it would possibly help other powers, doesn't exclude the idea that the native islanders can legitimately want their homes back

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What do people here think about thee role of the UN here?

Without unanimity in the security council, there doesn't tend to be much action they can take. Even with the SC, the track record of reaching resolutions isn't great.

In principle, it makes sense for there to be a formalized "community of nations" to express a decision. But, in terms of having a practical role that leads to resolving these kinds of issues... would it be better if they now aimed for a reperations/compromise solution?

I can't see british sovereignty or US occupancy changing. Is the right thing now to leave chagosians with a recognized moral right, with no hope of exercising it in practice or to go for compromise?

Just curious what people think.

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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It is staggering to hear arguments justifying occupied land that has absolutely no connection to the uk. It shows how poorly the west still understands the evil of colonialism. Regardless of the ancestry of the people living in any territory, they deserve to have sovereignty over their lives.

Err, we did actually pay for it. And what connection do the "natives" have, they weren't native to it. They'd lived there less than 200 years and were French speakers. It's not an indigenous population. It's more complicated than you claim. I'm pretty strongly anti-colonial, but this ain't that and it takes the piss to frame it like it is.

how many generations of people have to live somewhere to be considered "native" then.

In this case we're talking what 4-5 generations, depending on how you count it, that sounds fairly native to me.

The UK acted poorly here and the pressure that this vote applies to them is good, as if anyone has a right to the islands it's the people who lived there for hundreds of years.

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

#75

Don't kid yourself that this is about the islander's claims. They are being used as human shields. Diego Garcia is a very strategic location. It will always be controlled by one of the great powers. Who would benefit most if the US were to leave? Who has the most to gain? Countries like China and Iran.

they are planning on putting it back with mauritius as it was before.

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

#76

What do people here think about thee role of the UN here? Without unanimity in the security council, there doesn't tend to be much action they can take. Even with the SC, the track record of reaching resolutions isn't great. In principle, it makes sense for there to be a formalized "community of nations" to express a decision. But, in terms of having a practical role that leads to resolving these kinds of issues... w…

The UN isn't perfect, but this is still a pretty official slap in the face.

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That would perhaps be a bit hypocritical of Spain given their own enclaves like Melilla and Ceuta in Morocco - both of which are claimed by Morocco?

There are subtle differences. Gibraltar was Spanish before The Utrech Treaty, that even included some expiration date IIRC. Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish towns before Morocco even existed. Not that it will matter in the long run...

I’m not sure there is an expiration date. Wikipedia (so pinch of salt) has the text as reading that Spain ceded to Great Britain:

“the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging ... for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.”

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yes, USA should give Alaska and Hawaii to the local people

Well, principally yes. Or, at least, the US could acknowledge the massive genocide that European settlers have committed in the past, rather than glorifying the "good ol' days" of expansion and slaughtering people and their cattle, and give the indigenous people some real recompensation for the atrocities that have been done to their ancestors.

If you'd suggest the USA might give Alaska and Hawaii back to indigenous populations, what about the entire USA itself? :-D

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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Does this mean that people can return to those islands? Certainly seems unlikely they would close the military base unless they were forced to so do by some military or substantial economic action. This type of thing is what makes me worried about the long term sustainability of US security. The paradigm is not really rule of law when it comes right down to it, it's might makes right. This is an inherently insecure p…

What I don't understand is why the Chagossians can't return to the islands even if the US base remains. Looking at the islands on Google Maps it appears that the western half of Diego Garcia atoll is mostly uninhabited and could be used to resettle them, and there are other islands besides. We are talking about a thousand or so people—there's enough space for that many.

Re: UK suffers defeat in UN vote on Chagos Islands

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What do people here think about thee role of the UN here? Without unanimity in the security council, there doesn't tend to be much action they can take. Even with the SC, the track record of reaching resolutions isn't great. In principle, it makes sense for there to be a formalized "community of nations" to express a decision. But, in terms of having a practical role that leads to resolving these kinds of issues... w…

The UN is precisely as powerful as the security council members make it. Most of them are increasingly loathe to bother with herding cats in the UN when its legitimacy is increasingly being undermined by corruption and hypocrisy.

It's not quite reached League of Nations irrelevancy, but it isn't far off.

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