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Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by smsm42 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 7:55 AM UTC

ixtli wrote: post #48

Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

> created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fatal condition isn't serious

This is plain false. Here's the article by Glassman: http://journal.crossfit.com/2005/10/crossfit-induced-rhabdo-...

It does not claim the condition is not serious. It states plainly, I quote "a potentially lethal systemic meltdown" and "It can disable, maim, and even kill.". Yes, it also has a clown picture - if one can't take a bit of dark humor along with a serious topic maybe one should limit oneself to reading young adult fiction about vampire romance for now and wait until one can.

> There is a lively online community posting selfies from hospital

I've been doing crossfit for years. I've been reading social media from people in our gym and other gyms. Not once I've even heard or know anybody who heard about anybody who was posting selfies from hospital as a badge of honor. I do not deny, maybe there are people like that - there are 350 million people in US, and whatever form of crazy you can think of, there's probably a hundred people that have it. You can probably find two or three of them if you look hard enough. But presenting it as if it's a typical occurrence and in any way characterizes what happens in a typical crossfit gym is either profoundly ignorant if one never been in one (and they why write about it?) or profoundly dishonest if one have been.

I'm not trying to propagandize anything - it works for me, but if it doesn't work for you, there's absolutely no problem with that. But heading this rhabdo baloney dug up again and again is just plain stupid. It's ok to not like any system or movement or hipster fad or whatever you call it, doesn't matter - if it's not your thing, fine, no problem at all. But one doesn't have to recycle old stupid myths again and again to do it.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by smsm42 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 7:59 AM UTC

JohnBooty wrote: post #96

ixtli wrote: post #48

Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

Been doing Crossfit since December. Had to sign a pretty sensible waiver upon joining. There was a section describing the symptoms of rhabdo, letting me know in NO uncertain terms that it was a potentially fatal medical emergency. Honestly, I'd never heard of it before reading that waiver. Rather than encouraging me to experience rhabo, Crossfit gave me some crucial warnings there! Safety's a big deal at the Crossfit…

I imagine some journalists may read some HN threads about mistakes people make on the job and all kinds of "rm -fr /" scenarios one has been part of, and then write an article about how IT people are so insane that they glorify wanton destruction of systems they are entrusted to maintain and how this "devops" cult is evil because of it.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by smsm42 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:04 AM UTC

dsl wrote: post #120

saintPirelli wrote: post #107

I see a lot of scepticism towards CrossFit here and it's probably with good reason, but I just want to add that your experience with the method of training is very dependant on the actual gym you go to. Where I started training (and I was like the definition of "out of shape") the coaches preach form > intensity every step of the way and actually forbid you to do any dynamic movement before you have not sufficently m…

I'm not judging CrossFit on the program or its value. I take great issue with this straight up anti-vaxx type of thinking: "Facebook is acting in the service of food and beverage industry interests by deleting the accounts of communities that have identified the corrupted nutritional science responsible for unchecked global chronic disease." science is responsible for disease, listen to us instead

Replacing "corrupted nutritional science" with just "science", as if they deny science as a concept, is a very dishonest rhetorical trick. We have seen very bad nutritional advice given under the guise of "nutritional science" for years, and now we know that advice was very bad. We're still not entirely sure, as far as I know, how good nutritional advice looks like, in many cases, and it may be completely appropriate to point to some nutritional advice as bad nutritional science. And yes, using such advice can cause disease - just as using "science" at the time which denied the germ theory was the cause of many cases of disease. It's a very far cry from denying whole science or even nutritional science.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by User23 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:05 AM UTC

retiredcoder wrote: post #115

User23 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fundamentals of Crossfit are entirely sound. A warmup followed by some subset of bodyweight exercises, calisthenics, rowing, running, climbing, and (olympic) weightlifting is a completely reasonable fitness regimen. Being sensible is a matter of leveling the workout to your own particular circumstances: age and overall fitness being the two biggest factors. But yeah I've also seen the videos on youtube of people…

Being sensible is not having a WoD one size fits all. It oversimplifies too much IMO. People, specially who are new, haven’t gotten serious injuries, or just don’t understand how exercise can get you high, tend to fall in the WoD trap from my observations. There have been a great mindset change with CrossFit in terms of sharing good knowledge, welcoming new members no matter their level and mixing everyone together b…

I completely agree. Any Crossfit gym where the coach doesn't enthusiastically support scaling down from the "Rx" is one nobody should go to. As I've said elsewhere in this thread I don't do Crossfit (I'm lazy and I hate cardio so I powerlift), but I know many people that do and their coaches have been entirely supportive of proper scaling to ability, with an eye toward progression of course.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by smsm42 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:14 AM UTC

FireBeyond wrote: post #71

manmal wrote: post #62

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To be fair, the growing numbers of CrossFit athletes alone could describe the growing numbers of injuries. If e.g. 10x as many people do CrossFit than do handball, they will account for a majority of injuries.

Maybe, but CF regularly uses for workout of the day an acronym that escapes me for now that is basically "until exhaustion" (possibly "amrap" - as many repetitions as possible). So many of those is going to make you susceptible to injury, especially with their "keep going" mentality.

AMRAP workouts are almost never executed "until exhaustion" - they are usually time-limited. There are other types of workouts which have increasing loads or repetitions until the athlete can't keep up - usually called "death by" (yes, it has "death" in the name, surely that means Crossfit is a death cult) - but those not exactly "until exhaustion" - at least not always, since if you can't lift the next weight in the line it doesn't mean you necessarily exhausted (though it may be). I don't see why this would be more prone to injury though - most workouts are meant to make you tired, and when you're tired, you may lose form, and when you lose form, you may be susceptible to injury, especially if you let your ego run away from you. That's where coach comes in and tells you to stop doing stupid, drop the weight and fix the form, or change the exercise.

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by User23 » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:27 AM UTC

lwansbrough wrote: post #89

busterarm wrote: post #73

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I power-lifted. I got injured. Many of us did. It's much higher. Even the studies show it: https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/wp-content/u... https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/2014/07/08/i...

Powerlifting is definitely not the same as general CrossFit and is pretty obviously a dangerous sport. I would guess that based on the amount of jerking and twisting I see in CrossFitters doing powerlifting that the injury rate would be higher still within that specific discipline. Again, all speculation on my part. I’m thinking an intense workout with good form and control vs. a standard CrossFit workout.

Powerlifting is probably the most dangerous weight lifting discipline, because of the bench press[1]. Almost all of these are due to lifting alone, without a spotter, and without proper safety mechanisms (like a rack with crossbars). This seems to be a downvote happy thread, but this needs to be said: Don't bench without a spotter or safety gear. Ever!

[1] https://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2003/05001/U_S__...

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by ibeckermayer » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:32 AM UTC

ixtli wrote: post #48

Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

Is Crossfit unilaterally banning groups from their platform? Your first paragraph is completely incoherent.

As for your Rhabdo claims, I’ve was hearing this same crap when I started CrossFit in high school nearly a decade ago. In all my time doing CrossFit I never saw anybody get or try to get Rhabdo. Iirc Crossfit is a loose organization with many affiliates of varying quality. Sure some group of shitheads were shitheads, so what? One time a Burger King employee was mean to me...

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by ibeckermayer » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:40 AM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

Yeah what kind of deranged conspiracy theorists would think academia, the government, and giant corporations would join forces in lying to us about what makes us sick?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by ibeckermayer » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:42 AM UTC

King-Aaron wrote: post #43

ralph84 wrote: post #38

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Academia has a pretty bad track record when it comes to nutrition advice. "Food science" is mostly the study of how to maximize food manufacturer profits, not how to construct a healthy diet.

[citation needed]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...

Smug, uninformed tool for corrupt authority

Re: Crossfit Inc. suspends use of Facebook and associated properties

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Post by ibeckermayer » Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:49 AM UTC

dan_quixote wrote: post #29

chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

The tone and demeanor of this post reminds of antivaxxer propaganda. I wonder if there's a correlation.

Are there any rigorous studies proving aluminum adjuvants are safe? Have you ever looked into the research? Am I an “antivaxxer” for even asking this question? Would you consider me one if I told you I’d delved into the topic and concluded something other than what the government says? What if I was just hesitant to give the specific vaccines with aluminum adjuvants to infants?

I find that ysually people that use buzzwords like “antivaxxer” aren’t all that curious about the topic, and prefer to hide behind consensus opinion whilst castigating inquisitive people that look at the evidence themselves as ignorant and crazy.