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Post by FireBeyond »

manmal wrote: post #62
busymom0 wrote: post #34

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It has become a cult. I personally have no problem with people lifting and motivating each other and CrossFit was originally quite good, especially the competitive athletes. But now a days it’s become a huge cult where it’s all about people motivating each other to see how many reps of a certain exercise a person can do while completely throwing the form out of the window. Couple of my friends are in sports medicine…

To be fair, the growing numbers of CrossFit athletes alone could describe the growing numbers of injuries. If e.g. 10x as many people do CrossFit than do handball, they will account for a majority of injuries.

Maybe, but CF regularly uses for workout of the day an acronym that escapes me for now that is basically "until exhaustion" (possibly "amrap" - as many repetitions as possible). So many of those is going to make you susceptible to injury, especially with their "keep going" mentality.

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Post by busymom0 »

manmal wrote: post #62
busymom0 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has become a cult. I personally have no problem with people lifting and motivating each other and CrossFit was originally quite good, especially the competitive athletes. But now a days it’s become a huge cult where it’s all about people motivating each other to see how many reps of a certain exercise a person can do while completely throwing the form out of the window. Couple of my friends are in sports medicine…

To be fair, the growing numbers of CrossFit athletes alone could describe the growing numbers of injuries. If e.g. 10x as many people do CrossFit than do handball, they will account for a majority of injuries.

Bodybuilding and powerlifting has been around for many years though and has more athletes than CrossFit. Powerlifting also uses a lot heavier weights but since the rules are extremely strict for form in competitive powerlifting, injuries are less common. Bodybuilding uses relatively lesser weights but focuses more on higher reps and symmetry for which you need good form. CrossFit tries to combine both - heavy weights and high reps which is a recipe for injury. Either do heavier weights and low reps or do relatively lighter weights and high reps. When they try to combine both, it leads to CrossFit type injuries. Add to that, your group of people yelling at you trying to motivate you into doing the 23rd rep on a poor back deadlift form and it gets even worse.

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Post by busterarm »

lwansbrough wrote: post #63
inglondon wrote: post #37

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I can't verify the quality of these studies but it seems that injury rates per 1000 active hours of crossfit at 0.27 - 0.74 [1] are significantly lower than more common sports such as running at 2.9 - 4.4 and basketball at 6.3 - 12.9 [2] [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6201188/ [2] http://bionics.seas.ucla.edu/education/Rowing/Injury_2004_01...

Last I checked there wasn’t CrossFit for basketball. You should compare apples to apples. How does it stack up against (trained) non-CrossFit weight training? Judging by how those idiots abuse gym equipment I’d expect poorly, but prove me wrong.

I power-lifted. I got injured. Many of us did.

It's much higher. Even the studies show it: https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/wp-content/u...

https://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/2014/07/08/i...

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Post by busymom0 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #71
manmal wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the growing numbers of CrossFit athletes alone could describe the growing numbers of injuries. If e.g. 10x as many people do CrossFit than do handball, they will account for a majority of injuries.

Maybe, but CF regularly uses for workout of the day an acronym that escapes me for now that is basically "until exhaustion" (possibly "amrap" - as many repetitions as possible). So many of those is going to make you susceptible to injury, especially with their "keep going" mentality.

Yea, usually motivation by your peers is a good thing but in CrossFit, it’s detrimental as it forces you to stop listening to your own body because of peer pressure.

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Post by User23 »

hi5eyes wrote: post #61
121789 wrote: post #52

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Don't think it's a geographical split. Crossfit is great if you have really well-informed trainers that put a strong emphasis on getting form and movements correct. Unfortunately there are significant numbers of trainers that do not have the qualifications to be teaching and they put people at serious risk of injury (and end up creating ridiculous exercises for the internet to make fun of).

kipping is fucking hilarious

What's hilarious about using momentum to progress to a muscle up and eventually a strict muscle up?

In my observation, and this is at many gyms (btw I don't do Crossfit), very few people do every rep of a pull up from a true dead hang. Kipping is silly looking, but the technique does allow you to progress your way into a muscle up, kind of like a push press can help you train your strict press past what you otherwise could.

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Post by viraptor »

diffserv wrote: post #31
chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

Unpopular opinion, but they aren't that far off with regards to academia. Academia has little scientific agenda at its core—most things boil down to money. If you want to make a case for your idea on any topic, put money on that topic and professors and researchers work towards making a case for it (this is less true about math and (maybe?) physics but the farther you get from those topics, the more impact money has…

> Academia has little scientific agenda at its core—most things boil down to money.

It's like you're right, but completely wrong at the same time... At it's core, scientific research should not have an agenda. Researchers are normally happy to do important things and they have good ideas.

Yes, the funding is a really big issue and lack of needed followups to interesting results of the initial sponsor often happens when the sponsor is not involved anymore. Researchers essentially either have to work for someone or come up with topics and then beg potentially-interested people for money. (aka research grants)

Academia being driven by money has less to do with academia and more with lack of money it needs to work on independent research.

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Post by atupis »

tw04 wrote: post #7
chrisseaton wrote: post #4

Wow I had heard Crossfit was a bit of an obsession for some people and a quirky approach to fitness, but I had no idea their official spiel was this level of paranoia - attacking academia as an unholy alliance of the establishment? > The voluntary CrossFit community of 15,000 affiliates and millions of individual adherents stands steadfastly and often alone against an unholy alliance of academia, government, and mult…

If you've ever been an athlete, and have spent 30 seconds watching crossfit - it becomes obvious the goal is to see how dumb of an "exercise" you can do before getting hurt. There are two type of crossfitters - those who have gotten a permanent and serious injury, and those who are going to get one.

It probably depends gym, at least gym where I did go did not do anything super dangerous and it was more powerlifting, bodyweight exercises and some kettlebells exercises. Most dangerous thing was probably box jumps and there instructor advice to step down instead of jumping down.

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Post by vsef »

pen2l wrote: post #45
tw04 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've ever been an athlete, and have spent 30 seconds watching crossfit - it becomes obvious the goal is to see how dumb of an "exercise" you can do before getting hurt. There are two type of crossfitters - those who have gotten a permanent and serious injury, and those who are going to get one.

Just wondering here -- Isn't crossfit different depending on where you go? I believe it was invented by some European guy... who did stuff with kettlebells. And most of those exercises are good. I think the American variant is the one that's dangerous. (Or am I misinformed here?)

Crossfit is from Santa Cruz and is a combination of a lot of different stuff, the mix of which has changed over time. It's different depending where you go because there has never really been a standardized specific thing that it is and gyms are entirely independent. Gyms license the brand name, there are certification classes run by corporate, there is a very active internet community and something of a consistent philosophy, but what any particular gym actually does as far as training has always varied wildly and that's been from the very beginning.

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Post by conanbatt »

ixtli wrote: post #48

Uh this is typical cultish reaction to being called out: accuse others of doing exactly what you yourself are doing. I'd like to remind everyone here, in case you are considering crossfit, that several years ago they caused a rash of cases of rhabdomyolysis. So in response they created a clown character called "Uncle Rhabdo" which they attached to propaganda that tried to convince their members that this possibly fat…

The Uncle Rhabdo clown there looks scary as hell

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Post by kristianc »

> 2. Facebook collaborates with government security agencies on massive citizen surveillance programs such as PRISM.

It's slightly weird to only find this an issue _after_ your Facebook page with 1.65m fans has been deleted.

The tone of this piece comes over as really off and aggressive generally.

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