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Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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How can you know? Can you reliably identify Koreans from Japanese?

this is really not difficult as a general rule

Even my wife (Japanese) has problems identifying non-Japanese Asians. On the other hand I think I'm better at it (but it may be that I'm not as good as I think).

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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I work in Akihabara. I see foreigners everyday. Even in Minato-ku I see plenty of non-Japanese people running around.

Add Shibuya (mainly around the station) and Shinjuku and you basically covered all foreigner hotspots! Those are the most non-representative areas! But go to Shimokitezawa or Gakuendaigaku or anywhere off the beaten path and foreigners will be few and far between.

I've been to places with thousands of Japanese (and the occasional Korean, which can be difficult to notice) and then just me. But on the other hand I've never, not once, been made to feel like an outsider.

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#153
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Yeah a few people I know who have worked there enjoyed it but the sort of mechanics about how you have to work, traditions.... they love that in the US they can break so many "rules" and it's thought of as innovative, not the end times.

It's not even about the freedoms you get working in other countries. Once had a Japan client change some settings in their account which cause a different workflow to occur. I had to write an incident report for the issue. It's like "if you change A to B, B will happen instead of A... If you want A to happen, select A..." Another job we were processing the POS system records and tracking sales / inventory. The dates…

Yeah I've had lots of Ulta detailed report requests from Japan too. Often it is clear they don't understand but keep asking.

Several had so many questions they asked for the actual code for a misc set of settings....

They were always meaningless rat hole type discussions and usually with enterprise customers. I'm not sure if they were impressing their bosses with big reports but oh man it was a pain.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #135

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> Many Japanese will always consider them "less Japanese" or outsiders. Isn't this true of other nations?

> Isn't this true of other nations? Not as a general rule, no. What makes the distinction for me is the dialect they speak and their way of speaking. Then I'll have them firmly identified as 'from that town', or 'that particular part of the country' and there's no way for me to think of them differently. Where their parents came from has no part of it for me or for most people. It's just not possible for my mind to t…

> In my experience small children never make any distinction either, anywhere in the world.

Are you familiar with The Clarks' doll experiments?

    The doll experiment involved a child being presented with two dolls. 
    Both of these dolls were completely identical except for the skin and 
    hair color. One doll was white with yellow hair, while the other was 
    brown with black hair. The child was then asked questions inquiring 
    as to which one is the doll they would play with, which one is the nice 
    doll, which one looks bad, which one has the nicer color, etc. The 
    experiment showed a clear preference for the white doll among all 
    children in the study.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_and_Mamie_Clark#Doll_e...

Though the effect was less intense for children from integrated schools.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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It's not very difficult if you've lived in either place... (And they don't exactly have a mutual love for each other)

I am a Korean (lived in Korea for >30 years) and I think it is difficult...

The main thing I notice is that Koreans have slightly rounder faces, and smoother features. Koreans also tend to be slightly taller and more robust physically.

You are right though, the occasional Japanese person is going to be very hard to spot since they usually fall within the range of Korean diversity.

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> Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japanese will always consider them "less Japanese" or outsiders. Just because she qualifies as Japanese from your point of view doesn't mean that the Japanese have to view it like you. White savior comple…

> but rather are the genetic conglomerate of their ancestors (which is hard to argue against) and thus links in a chain But that's exactly it. It's not like that. Or shouldn't be. That's not what makes a person a part of a group (town, city, region, country, etc). It's a constraining, and wrong way of looking at things. It's something to grow out of. Heck, in my hometown we consider someone as 'from' this town (to tr…

It is revolting how terribly arrogant your comment is, really.

They don't have a "wrong way of looking at things" simply because it is not your way. And your way is by no means the way.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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There might be a tiny group of Americans for whom something being "Made in America" would significantly impact their product decisions, but in most cases I think price and quality are the main decision making factors.

I used to work for a german web hosting company and they were able to charge double for the same service in Germany vs Spain, the only reason being germans like to buy german products.

I live in Germany now And this seems to be more true here. That’s probably part of the reason Rocket Internet can be successful. Americans don’t seem to care about it nearly as much in my experience.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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post #143

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> but rather are the genetic conglomerate of their ancestors (which is hard to argue against) and thus links in a chain But that's exactly it. It's not like that. Or shouldn't be. That's not what makes a person a part of a group (town, city, region, country, etc). It's a constraining, and wrong way of looking at things. It's something to grow out of. Heck, in my hometown we consider someone as 'from' this town (to tr…

It is revolting how terribly arrogant your comment is, really. They don't have a "wrong way of looking at things" simply because it is not your way. And your way is by no means the way.

I should maybe add 'in my opinion'. But in truth, I really believe it's wrong. It does not lead to anything positive, quite the contrary. And I've never seen a community become worse by moving into a more modern, open view on diversity and acceptance. And to focus: I really, truly mean that the idea that what "makes" you (and that's what I was commenting on) is your ancestors, is just wrong. Genetic chain? Well, so what, we're all a part of a genetic chain, and the same one at that, which goes back nearly four billion years. Take one step back to get the overview and it matters nothing (nor should it) who your father was.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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The Bloomberg article exacerbates the bigotry many Japanese have against their own fellow citizens. In the caption of the first picture: "She’s not all Japanese, but she was Miss Universe Japan 2015." Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japan…

> Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japanese will always consider them "less Japanese" or outsiders. Just because she qualifies as Japanese from your point of view doesn't mean that the Japanese have to view it like you. White savior comple…

This is the conflict that arises when the name for the group applies to a nationality and a distinctly identifiable racial group as well. Some will use “Japanese” to talk about those that are legally and culturally from Japan, and others will use the word to reference those that are genetically from Japan.
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