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Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by distantaidenn » Thu, May 23, 2019, 9:32 AM UTC

hh3k0 wrote: post #111

Complexicate wrote: post #99

The Bloomberg article exacerbates the bigotry many Japanese have against their own fellow citizens. In the caption of the first picture: "She’s not all Japanese, but she was Miss Universe Japan 2015." Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japan…

> Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japanese will always consider them "less Japanese" or outsiders. Just because she qualifies as Japanese from your point of view doesn't mean that the Japanese have to view it like you. White savior comple…

That's exactly the problem though. She is being veiwed as less Japanese and subsequently discriminated against.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by Cthulhu_ » Thu, May 23, 2019, 9:51 AM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #46

I was in Tokyo a few years ago, went back recently and I noticed the changes described in this article too. Every sign and menu are now in Japanese/Chinese/English. Waiters, salesclerks, metro station assistants now speaks English. And every 7-Eleven, Starbucks, etc… seems to employ foreigners instead of Japanese people (mostly from countries like Vietnam, Philippine, Thailand and India tho), who speak English perfec…

Being multilingual makes a lot of sense for the capital, especially public buildings and services like public transit etc. I've had colleagues go to Japan for a while for work and unless they had a guide they would've been very, very lost. Not something you want if you'd like to have international trade and commerce relationships.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by kalleboo » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:21 AM UTC

marak830 wrote: post #103

kalleboo wrote: post #77

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> Getting a wedding visa the first time gives 1 year. At the second application one year later, one gets once again 1 year. At the third application one year later, you get 3 three This is case-by-case. I went 1y-3y-5y. I've met people who got 3y on their first. > but after that there is no need to go to the immigration office You still need to renew your physical card every 7 years (new photo etc), but at least you…

Indeed preparing mine now for the 5 year and once that's done I'll be turning around and starting the permanent visa paperwork. Finally! Lol

Since some of the paperwork was the same, I applied for PR alongside my second renewal (the one that got me 5 years) to avoid multiple trips to city hall. The 5 year spouse visa renewal took a week to be approved, the PR took 3 months. So in the end I only had the 5 year visa for 3 months :p

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by skohan » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:25 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #113

philliphaydon wrote: post #37

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I would never want to work in japan. Doing business with japan is hard enough. You could create the most amazing service in the world. And it’s still inferior to a Japanese business on the grounds that it’s not owned by the Japanese. I love the country the culture the people. But working with Japan is the most difficult thing I’ve encounter in my career.

> You could create the most amazing service in the world. And it’s still inferior to a Japanese business on the grounds that it’s not owned by the Japanese. So like US people were proud for their "Made in America" stamps?

There might be a tiny group of Americans for whom something being "Made in America" would significantly impact their product decisions, but in most cases I think price and quality are the main decision making factors.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by sridca » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

Complexicate wrote: post #99

The Bloomberg article exacerbates the bigotry many Japanese have against their own fellow citizens. In the caption of the first picture: "She’s not all Japanese, but she was Miss Universe Japan 2015." Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japan…

> Many Japanese will always consider them "less Japanese" or outsiders.

Isn't this true of other nations?

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by skohan » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:34 AM UTC

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #81

Pmop wrote: post #9

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I'm not only conflicted. I'm annoyed. Immigration is being sold as a solution to aging and shrinking population. While opening to immigrants certainly helps solving the shrinking workfoce problem, it is nothing more than a duct tape over what is happening: people no longer want to have kids. After it's been long enough that immigrants are not even called this anymore, if we discover that young workforce is still shri…

Kids cost a lot of money. Kids change your life and not always for the better. Women who have kids also sacrifice time away from their careers and end up with significantly less money in their 401k/ pension equivalent.

Going through my dad's fight with cancer and death recently significantly changed my view on the value of having kids. I shudder to think what it would have been like for him and my mom had my brother and I not been around. Yeah there's care facilities for people who don't have anybody, but there's no replacement for family for when you stop being able to take care of yourself.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by anthuman » Thu, May 23, 2019, 10:39 AM UTC

Complexicate wrote: post #99

The Bloomberg article exacerbates the bigotry many Japanese have against their own fellow citizens. In the caption of the first picture: "She’s not all Japanese, but she was Miss Universe Japan 2015." Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japan…

If you claim that she is all japanese, then aren't you denying her african-american roots?

She is half japanese because half of her family and genetic history is from japan. The other half is from her african american father. Isn't it more bigoted to deny that half of her comes from her african american father?

Also, there is a difference between ethnicity and nationality. She may be a full japanese national, but she is not a full ethnic japanese.

Just like charlize theron could be a south african national, but you wouldn't call her a black woman.

I agree with her that being a japanese national should have nothing to do with heredity or skin color, but heredity and skin color most definitely has something to do with the japanese ethnicity.

To claim otherwise is to claim there is no suching thing as a japanese ethnicity and it destroys any sense of human diversity that we all pretend to love while trying to actively destroy human diversity.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by raducu » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

skohan wrote: post #134

coldtea wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You could create the most amazing service in the world. And it’s still inferior to a Japanese business on the grounds that it’s not owned by the Japanese. So like US people were proud for their "Made in America" stamps?

There might be a tiny group of Americans for whom something being "Made in America" would significantly impact their product decisions, but in most cases I think price and quality are the main decision making factors.

I used to work for a german web hosting company and they were able to charge double for the same service in Germany vs Spain, the only reason being germans like to buy german products.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by havill » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

anthuman wrote: post #137

Complexicate wrote: post #99

The Bloomberg article exacerbates the bigotry many Japanese have against their own fellow citizens. In the caption of the first picture: "She’s not all Japanese, but she was Miss Universe Japan 2015." Yes, she is "all" Japanese. She grew up in Japan, with her Japanese mother, attending Japanese schools. This is the subtle bigotry toward people who are "half" (as they're called in Japan) rather than "dual". Many Japan…

If you claim that she is all japanese, then aren't you denying her african-american roots? She is half japanese because half of her family and genetic history is from japan. The other half is from her african american father. Isn't it more bigoted to deny that half of her comes from her african american father? Also, there is a difference between ethnicity and nationality. She may be a full japanese national, but she…

> heredity and skin color most definitely has something to do with the japanese ethnicity.

Only to racists. Just as being Jewish is an ethnicity (as well as a religion), you don't have to be white or have Jewish parents to be of Jewish ethnicity.

More and more Japanese Nationals with mixed race are born all the time, and raised completely in Japan and only speak Japanese, yet would "pass as white."

And when they're famous and appear in the media, they are considered by most of the Japanese audience to be ethnically Japanese.

On the other hand, there are quite a few Japanese-Americans whose parents are both racially "100%" Japanese, yet because they speak awful or nonexistent Japanese and or "act American" or "have American values", are not considered to be ethnically Japanese.

Re: Japan Begins Experiment of Opening to Immigration

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Post by Tor3 » Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:08 AM UTC

laurieg wrote: post #119

ioltas wrote: post #36

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> This is true. In fact, by far the fastest route to permanent residence in Japan is marriage. You can get PR in 3 years if you are married to a Japanese national vs 10 years if you aren't. More details on that. Getting a wedding visa the first time gives 1 year. At the second application one year later, one gets once again 1 year. At the third application one year later, you get 3 three. At this point, you could ask…

Another interesting part of getting PR by marriage: you only have to live in Japan one year. You could get married in another country, live there 2 years minimum and then move to Japan and get PR after only one year of residency.

So getting married in another country (though notified and registered in Japan the same year), and moving (permanently) to Japan several years later will count? Have I understood this correctly? (yes I've got a personal interest in this)