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Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Yet lawmakers want to take away my plastic straws. Sad.

Which are probably made in China.

They're also recycled* in China.

*: In this context recycled means shipped to China and then dumped into the ocean.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Should they be under international sanctions for polluting our commons and destrying the planet?

Simpler is to return production to countries that have proper environmental regulations. Right now we outsource pollution production to China.

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Should they be under international sanctions for polluting our commons and destrying the planet?

Simpler is to return production to countries that have proper environmental regulations. Right now we outsource pollution production to China.

Really, moving a supplychain is easier than punitive tariffs/sanctions?

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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We also know the source of the plastic in the ocean... turns out it boils down to a very small number of rivers, in a very specific region of the world. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluti...

Tarrifs proportionate to percentage of pollutants in river outflow should work great.

I've heard they say you tax things you don't want to see? why not tax pollution at the source, the rivers?

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Which are probably made in China.

They're also recycled* in China. *: In this context recycled means shipped to China and then dumped into the ocean.

Is that actually what happens to our recycling? I was just wondering today how all this plastic gets repurposed. Does it get shipped overseas then dumped?

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Not only banned flourocarbons, China and Asia are the main source of plastics entering the oceans through their rivers. Some are calling for environmental mercenaries, like Earth First! or GreenPeace, who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet, ourselves included.

As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards. Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

So how do you propose we deal with psychopaths that dump radioactive waste into steel that then goes into your napkin box?

Ask them nicely again?

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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post #11

Not only banned flourocarbons, China and Asia are the main source of plastics entering the oceans through their rivers. Some are calling for environmental mercenaries, like Earth First! or GreenPeace, who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet, ourselves included.

As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards. Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

I agree we can and should do what we can to prevent the worst outcomes and labeling direct nonviolent action as terrorism is a bit much / counterproductive

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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We also know the source of the plastic in the ocean... turns out it boils down to a very small number of rivers, in a very specific region of the world. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/90-of-plastic-polluti...

Likely to change soon. Those areas have stopped buying plastic waste from the rest of the world.

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how does Japan pay lip service? I can only see that in terms of whaling, otherwise they seem to be a fairly clean country? Please point to more information.

I’m only speaking to the interaction between Greenpeace and Japan, which is mostly concerning whaling. Japan kind of reluctantly puts up with their behavior. China won’t. They have near zero chance of making any impact in China.

Perhaps a Greenpeace ship needs to be attacked by Chinese on live TV in order to gain momentum?

We need eco-martyrs too.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Which are probably made in China.

They're also recycled* in China. *: In this context recycled means shipped to China and then dumped into the ocean.

Which is why it's better to have cellulose/paper straws.
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