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Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by bArray »

stevespang wrote: post #3

Not only banned flourocarbons, China and Asia are the main source of plastics entering the oceans through their rivers. Some are calling for environmental mercenaries, like Earth First! or GreenPeace, who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet, ourselves included.

As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards.

Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by internet_user »

docker_up wrote: post #9

I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

And not to mention dumping radioactive waste into steel/other metal. That's how cadium and lead end up in pencil cases - dump waste into consumer goods, and then ship them to your house.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/the-growing-global...

"India and China were the top sources of radioactive goods shipped to the U.S. through 2008, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Bartley, a metallurgist who has tracked radioactive contamination since the early 1990s, said there’s no evidence the situation has improved."

It's not just reprehensible. It's down right psychopathic.

Sick.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by firethief »

docker_up wrote: post #9

I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

America has the same business culture; what's saving (most of) us is our better-functioning regulatory culture.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by internet_user »

firethief wrote: post #13
docker_up wrote: post #9

I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

America has the same business culture; what's saving (most of) us is our better-functioning regulatory culture.

and legal system too.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by internet_user »

bArray wrote: post #11
stevespang wrote: post #3

Not only banned flourocarbons, China and Asia are the main source of plastics entering the oceans through their rivers. Some are calling for environmental mercenaries, like Earth First! or GreenPeace, who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet, ourselves included.

As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards. Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

How much choice do you really have if literally all of your choices are from China?

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by _bxg1 »

firethief wrote: post #13
docker_up wrote: post #9

I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

America has the same business culture; what's saving (most of) us is our better-functioning regulatory culture.

For now at least.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by latchkey »

docker_up wrote: post #9

I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

Unsurprisingly given the proximity, Vietnam is just as bad in this respect. It is crazy, anything to make some money.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by mc32 »

internet_user wrote: post #8
mc32 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greenpeace etc have their hearts in the right place... sabotage though doesn’t help. Japan pays lip service and mostly ignores them. China will not take kindly to any interference. I can’t see them even trying.

how does Japan pay lip service? I can only see that in terms of whaling, otherwise they seem to be a fairly clean country? Please point to more information.

I’m only speaking to the interaction between Greenpeace and Japan, which is mostly concerning whaling. Japan kind of reluctantly puts up with their behavior. China won’t. They have near zero chance of making any impact in China.

Re: Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

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Post by slowmovintarget »

bArray wrote: post #11
stevespang wrote: post #3

Not only banned flourocarbons, China and Asia are the main source of plastics entering the oceans through their rivers. Some are calling for environmental mercenaries, like Earth First! or GreenPeace, who will reek havoc on those who pollute or endanger the planet, ourselves included.

As much as I hate to see the environment getting destroyed, eco-terrorism is not the way forwards. Every normal person is empowered to help: purchase from people whose ideals you agree with, win the hearts and minds of those around you, re-use everything you safely can.

And perhaps there should be tariffs on Chinese goods to prevent them from dumping poisonous products on the market.

Some of these things like lead and cadmium in children's pencil cases made me wonder if this was intentional.

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