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ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by simion314 »

thkim wrote: post #85
simion314 wrote: post #79

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You could pay researchers with money from taxes, then you will get more research into important problems and less into rich people concerns like baldness and beauty creams. Mathematicians,physicists also do a lot of research and they do not ask you to pay them to use their findings.

You seem to confuse between basic science and applied science. What you are saying is government should direct resources to every research. Basically saying that planned economy is better off than market economy. I wouldn't say market economy is a complete solution but time and again it has been proven to work better than planned economy. And also, why do you look down on applications? They are what actually make peo…

What I do not like is the idea that medical research is directed into what makes more money, I would be ok if this happens with beauty products but not with critical medicine.

Say you find a cure for X, how will you price it as a company? You put some variables into an equation and attempt to get the maximum profit not the maximum health for the society. This could mean letting poor people to die or suffer without a cure.

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Post by sanxiyn »

DCKing wrote: post #46

I see a lot of people dreaming about Huawei needing to pivot to open source technology, but the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that the trade dispute gets (partially) resolved to the extent that Huawei can operate as usual again. Dreaming of Huawei backed RISC V SoCs is a pipe dream anyway, at least for mobile processors. For a mobile SoC you need a GPU as well. There are no viable open source GPU architecture…

You know what? This was posted TODAY.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SiFive-R...

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by theandrewbailey »

Zenst wrote: post #55
leereeves wrote: post #29

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And once China starts making discoveries of their own, they'll guard anything they discover. It's naive to imagine that they'll share their IP.

As they did with gunpowder, china-clay, silkworms, tea and even Panda's. I think only Panda's out of that small list have their IP still protected and the rest got industrial-theft treatment over the centuries. Though in fairness - they do share Panda's.

Pandas.

Re: ARM memo tells staff to stop working with Huawei

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Post by Zenst »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #76
Zenst wrote: post #55

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As they did with gunpowder, china-clay, silkworms, tea and even Panda's. I think only Panda's out of that small list have their IP still protected and the rest got industrial-theft treatment over the centuries. Though in fairness - they do share Panda's.

Byzantines robbed the silkworms in possibly one of the oldest written records of corporate espionage?

I believe so, even if wiki disagree's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#Origins

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Post by komali2 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #111
NotPaidToPost wrote: post #94

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> Chinese culture does not place the same value on pioneering as the US. That's clearly not true and is visible everywhere in China. > is also incapable of tolerating diversity, dissent, and free thought. That's not true. Chinese culture tolerates diversity and uniqueness much more than Japanese culture, for example. Discussions would gain in value if people commented on what they have at least a modicum of knowledge…

Japan doesn't maintain prison camps for political dissenters, last I checked.

Chinese culture is as capable of tolerating diversity as any other - take a look at Taiwan. Same sex marriage legalized last week.

The political institutions in mainland China, on the other hand, are motivated by nationalist tendencies to foment hatred to Other.

Aaaand they definitely jail people just for religious group membership so they discriminatory as fuck.

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Post by sanxiyn »

greatpatton wrote: post #110
simonh wrote: post #88

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If it is subject to the ban, it would be a pretty bold move to ignore it and carry on in violation of US law. Not an easy position to be in.

Yeah like US rules the world and US laws should apply to everyone! Then don't be surprised if the rest of the world prefer Chinese because as of today the last imperialistic power is the USA. By the way nobody outside of the US voted for your smart president.

US laws should not apply to everyone, but in practice they do, sort of. The most prominent example is internet services censoring nipples due to US stupidity.

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Post by NotPaidToPost »

phkahler wrote: post #117
thkim wrote: post #49

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I doubt it. Chinese system only works when they are playing catch up. There is no incentive for being a pioneer in a culture where IP is not protected. The system doesn't work when they need to push above everyone else.

It's not a lack of incentives to innovate. Authoritarian management styles are IMHO a hindrance to innovation. There is a balance needed of course, but I think they're quite far from that.

Their "management style" is far from being authoritarian.

Chinese are extremely flexible and in China today you can innovate and just try about anything you want.

Of course there are red lines that are quite obvious, but beyond that it's actually often freer than in the West.

The Chinese system and culture are complex and cannot be brushed in black and white.

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Post by desdiv »

shard wrote: post #67
DCKing wrote: post #46

I see a lot of people dreaming about Huawei needing to pivot to open source technology, but the overwhelmingly likely outcome here is that the trade dispute gets (partially) resolved to the extent that Huawei can operate as usual again. Dreaming of Huawei backed RISC V SoCs is a pipe dream anyway, at least for mobile processors. For a mobile SoC you need a GPU as well. There are no viable open source GPU architecture…

Vivante was a US company in name only (engineering in China) and after acquisition in China (by Verisilicon, whose founder and CEO is the brother of the founder and CEO of Vivante), it's not even a US company in name. Also, other US companies with GPUs besides the first 3 in your list are are open to licensing if the fees are big enough. I can't give more details than that though.

>Also, other US companies with GPUs besides the first 3 in your list are are open to licensing if the fees are big enough.

This is a news story about a UK company being prohibited from dealing with Huawei due to its products containing "US origin technology". So I'm assuming that US GPU companies would also be prohibited from licensing to Huawei due to their IP's "US origin".

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Post by komali2 »

aclsid wrote: post #102
patentatt wrote: post #43

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That overlooks the long history and cultural norm of borrowing or copying to advance. Chinese culture does not place the same value on pioneering as the US. If China does become a tech leader it will have to shift those deeply rooted cultural forces first. That, and their government that is capable of long term planning is also incapable of tolerating diversity, dissent, and free thought. I do not think China will be…

You seem to forget that China has like 50+ minorities that are encouraged to rise up in society, with preferred employment in the regions they are from or better chance to get at top universities. That some Uyghur have been trying to create domestic terrorism and that the central government response is blunt that is true, but the same can be said of how a lot of members of the Muslim community are treated in the West…

Perhaps there are a lot of upset Uyghurs because the Chinese government keeps throwing their people into internment camps and surveilling Uyghur people wholesale?

>Uyghurs in Xinjiang suffer under a "fully-fledged police state" with extensive controls and restrictions upon their religious, cultural and social life. In Xinjiang, the Chinese government has expanded police surveillance to watch for signs of "religious extremism" that include owning books about Uyghurs, growing a beard, having a prayer rug, or quitting smoking or drinking. The government had also installed cameras in the homes of private citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs?wprov=sfla1

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Post by sanxiyn »

naraic0o wrote: post #48
unixhero wrote: post #10

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Well RISC v5 is open source.

I think you mean RISC-V (V being the Roman numeral for 5). The MIPS ISA is now also open source, as of Q1 2019[0]. [0] https://www.mips.com/mipsopen/

Note that this is MIPS Release 6, which is incompatible with existing MIPS ISA. For example, Debian is planning to create an entirely new port, mipsr6, in addition to mips.
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