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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by ratsimihah »

burtonator wrote: post #450
cletus wrote: post #125

What a clusterF is modern Mac hardware: - Keyboards with much worse action that are more prone to failure (from dust no less) and require replacing the motherboard to fix... all for a Touchbar no one wants and 0.5mm cut in thickness. - Loss (over the years) of the ability to upgrade the CPU, SSD or memory; - Display failures due to broken ribbon cables; - The USB-C clusterF; and - Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurt…

> Loss of MagSafe (this one still hurts). I will NEVER forgive them for this. Jobs was RIGHT when he said this was a major innovation over everyone else. Now Apple is either saying he was wrong or THEY are wrong. They're not BOTH right. My 2015 is the last MBP I will ever buy and it's aging fast... I think it's hackingtosh from here on out. I primarily use Ubuntu but I have to have a Mac as our app runs cross platfor…

It's not ageing that fast. Mine has a 1TB drive and I'm too lazy to wipe it clean but I'm sure with a clean wipe it would run like new. The keyboard is still intact, all of the hardware in fact.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by orloffm »

computerex wrote: post #577
stoppergoo wrote: post #461

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Really just the MagSafe is the big difference they lost. Supposedly the keyboard sucks, why don’t they just fix it or go back to the previous iteration. Either way I think these are still the best notebooks you can buy. Ubuntu doesn’t even work right on my dell desktop - it never remembers dual monitor settings, even with Nvidia official drivers installed. When I open my MacBook Air I can just use it without waiting…

> Either way I think these are still the best notebooks you can buy. Five years ago you could make that statement and not have to think twice about it. However now there is too much competition. 1. Dell XPS 2. Matebook X Pro 3. Asus Zenbook Pro These are just 3 laptops off the top of my head that can compete with the latest and greatest Macbook Pro and come out arguably better. The keyboard, thermal issues and touchb…

And all three have coil whine, for example. So I, a technical person, would personally get a MB Air for the same price despite any problems it has. So there is still a huge market and Apple doesn't have much incentives to do so, unfortunately.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by crispinb »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #880
crispinb wrote: post #828

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> Windows is perfectly viable for doing development, so is Linux. Viable, yes. I've spent the last year (since replacing a 2013 MB Pro) with a Dell 15 XPS, roughly 50/50 Windows & Linux (Ubuntu then Fedora). Both work. They each run everything I need a laptop for. Honestly neither is quite as good a desktop for me as macOS, but they are near enough that even if I liked the current generation of MacBooks (which I don'…

> Linux is more appealing and almost worth it for the speedy file access, but is too time-consuming for me to to commit to. I hear a variation of this semi-often and I never quite get what that's supposed to mean. Maybe being a full-time Linux user for a decade has made me used to whatever people are complaining about, but I don't think so, people are complaining about having to fix broken HW/SW occasionally, however…

> I hear a variation of this semi-often

And I read that cookie-cutter response almost every time. Fine. Whatever. We have different experiences. I accept yours (because I think most people are more-or-less truthful). You don't accept mine (because ?).

> I honestly think it comes down to things like macOS being more animated by default, having 3D shadows under every window, the dock enlarging the icons as you scroll pass them, your coworkers having a Mac as a status symbol etc. rather than some big technical hurdle

Feel free. "Honestly think" any invented story you wish.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by blablabla123 »

igravious wrote: post #875
blablabla123 wrote: post #843

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I bought a MacBook Air recently and the decision was really tough. Obviously the Pro has much more horse power but on the other hand: why would I need so much CPU and possibly GPU on a laptop? If I want to do some data intense task, it will be by far more convenient to run it on a remote server. The tasks run while the laptop is in my back pack and low CPU power means also longer battery life time. Yes, the keyboards…

You tolerate a glitchy keyboard that double types? Madness. Stockholm syndrome! Loads of ultra-portable PC laptops are perfect for development, can be used anywhere whatever that means, and charge with USB type-C making them compatible with a proper universal power standard. Progress is not regress. Regress is regress, progress is progress. I'm sorry for saying this but it sounds like you're only convincing yourself…

The laptop is 1-2 months old only but I had no problem with it. Indeed I had double types in an SSH session with a wacky AI cloud provider but IMHO that's a software problem. (And maybe in 2019 I should anyway rely on Job submissions, web interfaces instead of Terminal connections.)

> Progress is not regress. Regress is regress, progress is progress.

When I switched from Windows to Linux on the Desktop it was progress in terms of stability but regress in terms of application and driver support. macOS is for me better application and driver support but the choice of hardware is more limited. After all it's not just the laptop you buy but all the components, the components' abilities/driver support, the cases. I think the perfect computer only exists in the product owner's mind ;)

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by patrec »

thought_alarm wrote: post #38

The arrow keys and touchbar make that machine completely unsuitable for writing code, at least for me. My right hand needs to unconsciously lock on to the arrow keys, and that's just impossible with that layout. There's nothing to grab on to. My new iMac keyboard sits in a drawer collecting dust solely because of the arrow keys. And the butterfly mechanism is unproven and untrustworthy, I don't care how many times th…

Not that ergonomic errors keys are not desirable, but you can mostly avoid using arrow keys by switching to Ctrl+B Ctrl+F Ctrl+P Ctrl+N.

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Post by corint »

dwighttk wrote: post #584
golfer wrote: post #261

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100% agree. I'm typing this on a 2015 Macbook Pro, and holding on for dear life, even as it has started alerting me about servicing the battery. It's a great machine. I tried using the touchbar on my son's newer MBP. It's awful, and not meant for serious use. His laptop has been replaced once already due to keyboard issue, and starting to show defects again.

weird I'm on an early 2013 MBP (original battery) at 81% health (226 cycles)

What software are you using to get the percentage? My Early 2015 MBP is on around 300 cycles but not sure how to get the percentage.

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Post by 72deluxe »

saagarjha wrote: post #847
Jill_the_Pill wrote: post #724

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You can buy a like-new, souped-up 2015 Macbook Pro on ebay. I am very happy with mine, except for the new OS.

> except for the new OS What do you dislike about the OS? Presumably it's running macOS Mojave?

For me, odd things like inability to have a dark dock and titlebar and light windows. Using quickview on a file in Finder and then pressing shift-up used to select the file and the one above it, and then show a preview of the newly selected item. Now in Mojave they "fixed" it so that it shows the preview of the first file only, which is a colossal pain because now I can't filter through a giant list of photos to decide which ones to keep in an easy quick way. I have to look at each file individually.

I am sure I will think of some other annoyances. I've kept a 2012 MBP on Sierra, and love that machine far more, eg. keyboard is actually good and is quiet, real function keys, real ports as found on every other device in the universe, ability to use my audio interface, network ports etc etc

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Post by turbinerneiter »

shaklee3 wrote: post #802
kabdib wrote: post #721

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Just walk away from the Mac. Windows is perfectly viable for doing development, so is Linux. You can easily get a laptop that is cheaper and more reliable than a Macbook. About the only thing you'll be missing is a cool Apple sticker, but you can get those on eBay. Your wallet will thank you, and so will your fingers. A Macbook was a reasonable, even logical choice in 2012. Now, not so much. Apple can have me back if…

With WSL, you might as well run Windows and do all Linux development there as well.

To an extent. Speed is an issue (might be fixed with WSL2). The other issue is that some parts are missing, i.e. systemd.

It gets you pretty far, but not all the way. I guess for most people in most cases its fine.

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