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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by marmaduke »

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Were drivers a problem? Did you run into any problems with the nvme SSD? I tried booting Opensuse but it couldn’t see the SSD. Maybe I just need to try Ubuntu.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by katbyte »

hug wrote: post #717
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I get why they'd like like to sell a pro device to more people. That's fine. It marketing world pro/professional seems to often equate to "better". If someone wants to spend an extra thousand to load the news a bit faster, sure. Apple will and should happily take their money, and they can repurpose product names in service of this all day. I would like to imagine there's space in the market for a "pro" model that wou…

I see this time and time again on Hacker News, and really don't understand why people seem to think that "pro" in any way equates to "developer" or to "someone who needs a lot of computing horsepower". "Pro" means professional. The vast majority of working professionals, in the vast majority of professional fields, run Office, a mail client, a browser, and maybe a line-of-business app. Professionals regularly attend…

When i build test and lint the smallish piece of software i work on it can take quite a while. More horsepower means quick turn around cycle from "make change see result". Also sometimes i am running multiple VM or containers.

It really helps some developers out.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by jordache »

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I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…

Just walk away from the Mac. Windows is perfectly viable for doing development, so is Linux. You can easily get a laptop that is cheaper and more reliable than a Macbook. About the only thing you'll be missing is a cool Apple sticker, but you can get those on eBay. Your wallet will thank you, and so will your fingers. A Macbook was a reasonable, even logical choice in 2012. Now, not so much. Apple can have me back if…

the touchpad performance on the mac is second to none. Can modern windows or linux come even close?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by cfitz »

Do not buy a new one until some other fool (like me) purchases one sight-unseen and shares whether the machine runs without issues.

I did this with a top-spec'd 2016 MBP that eventually got replaced with a 2017 due to the frequency of problems. Recently spent too many hours getting my 2017 repaired (& back up to its previous state) for the same issues.

Very disappointing given the price point.

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Post by katbyte »

ducttape12 wrote: post #534
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Since the introduction of Mac OS X, I've always thought of macOS in terms of a Venn diagram of two partially overlapping circles: (A) Operating systems that major desktop apps support (B) Developer-friendly operating systems (Unix/Linux at the core, default shell is bash or similar, etc.) Windows is in (A). Linux is in (B). But macOS is in the overlapping area between (A) and (B). It's the best of both worlds.

I've struggled with this idea - almost everything (outside Apple specific development) is ported to Windows. My work is in .NET and various Javascript frameworks. Never had a problem with Windows. Plus I feel if I really needed a Linux environment, the Linux subsystem would fill that need.

> Plus I feel if I really needed a Linux environment, the Linux subsystem would fill that need.

Have you actually used it? A bunch of devs I work with continually have issues relating to WSL so i'm not sure if its comparable to macOS.

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Post by kalleboo »

msoad wrote: post #750
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I was initially sceptical of USB-C, but was looking forward to having less things to plug in. Then I learnt that USB-C only supports up to 100W of power, and even worse the MBP included charger is only 87W. All high performance laptops draw more power than that at high load (think gaming, rendering, etc.). I just don't see USB-C ever replacing a proper charging cable if it can't even supply enough power to run the co…

What was the wattage on the older models?

The most powerful MagSafe adapter is 85W. GP must be talking about some PC gaming laptop

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by stephenr »

swozey wrote: post #720
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I don’t get the touch pad complaint (I don’t agree with the others either but that’s a boring worn out argument) - macOS has had excellent “accidental touch” detection in my experience.

So I come from the weird world of Thinkpad point-stick users so take my ergo desires with a grain of salt if you hate that thing. I don't like having to use a buttonless touchpad to begin with and while the MBP touchpad is the best I've ever used I loved it on my 2015 and despise how large it is on the 2016 I've got now. I do EVERYTHING I can to not use this laptop as a laptop. It's keyboard and touchpad experience a…

But is it because it is triggered or you think it will be triggered? I don’t know that I’ve ever accidentally triggered the trackpad in 12 years of MBPs

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by umvi »

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Macs used to be for hackers, but now they are too mainstream

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swiftcoder »

swozey wrote: post #738
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> this is a part that's pretty much guaranteed to fail (unless you basically never open your laptop.) I have a 2016 MacBook "Pro", and every single part has been replaced (thanks, Apple Care) except the bottom plate. It seems to me they are not really designed to be moved, or used in an environment with, you know, particles and such. Plug it in once, put a transparent dome over it, look at it, and you'll be just fine…

My 2016 is the first MBP where I've felt that. I have huge dents on it and it's in a Thule laptop bag if it's not on my desk. I'm not exactly gentle on my backpack but I never had to concern myself with my old 2015s (had a couple of these). I rarely use it outside of work, I take it home just for emergencies and it sits on my coat rack in the bag. And you know what I'd totally pay $3k for a full on desktop replacemen…

My work-issued 2017 has a visibly crushed corner of the display casing, from dropping my backpack on the floor.

My personal 2013 has led a pretty rough life (including a couple of drops), and the sum total of damage over time is... one plastic foot missing.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by swiftcoder »

nsxwolf wrote: post #474
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Have one of the new 15" macbook pro with touch bar. My keyboard will never break simply because I never, ever use it. It's awful to type on, possibly the worst keyboard I've ever used. As is the track pad. I have a mouse plugged into it so I don't have to use the track pad. My MBP is basically a compact desktop machine and for that it is great. Fast and responsive.

Did something change regarding the trackpad? MacBook trackpads have always been at the top of the class, far better than any other manufacturer by leaps and bounds.

It grew really, really big. So big that it's almost impossible to avoid while typing, and palm-rejection often can't cope with that.
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