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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by stronglikedan »

gwbas1c wrote: post #177

I wish I knew why so many conference attendees requested that such a person be removed from the conference. Why? Part of diversity means being able to cooperate with people who have different viewpoints and ideologies. Further reading about this person's aggressive and retaliatory behavior implies that this person has issues that should keep her out of conferences. But, I still think it's important to understand why…

Sometimes, people who have different viewpoints and ideologies are, themselves, not able to cooperate with a diverse group. This seems like one of those times, and I wouldn't be surprised if her reputation preceded her within the community.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by jancsika »

Mirioron wrote: post #25

I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

> It should be about ability and topics.

I was with the author until the UX part. Why does everything have to boil down to color themes and padding? I don't see why you need to focus on this for a software program. It should be about correctness and performance.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by neilv »

kazinator wrote: post #175
neilv wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not do doxx, nor take up pitchforks -- not in this case, nor in any other. We can hear someone's report of a terrible experience, and think about the problem, and provide support to that person. However, judgment and sentencing of some other person has very different standards of proof and process.

> judgment and sentencing of some other person has very different standards of proof and process. If this other party is known to many unrelated people over numerous past events for that pattern of behavior, it seems like fair game to me. People out there already know; it's just "connecting the doxx" for the rest.

That might make sense, for where you, or the writer, are located.

I'm in the US, and we have ideals (not always respected) about due process, and systems to support that.

You might want to consider: how much proof did you actually have when you called for doxxing, and how easy would it be for an adversary to manufacture that amount of proof?

Also, it seems that doxxing tends to result in people with the worst judgment taking vigilante action first, so the standard for doxxing must consider that.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by bovermyer »

Mirioron wrote: post #179
ajkjk wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A responder to this wrote "Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.", which is definitely the answer that lots of people would give. Obviously this is an ideological stance, and it sounds like you probably disagree with it. But I think it's also pretty obvious, even before asking, that the only answer is going to be an ideological stance. It's one person or group's per…

I guess the reason I initially made the post was to challenge the ideology. It feels unfair, but I realized only a few minutes later that the discussion wasn't going to be useful. By that time I couldn't delete the post anymore though.

Regardless of whether you agree with the author's position on diversity, perhaps it would be better to focus on the crimes being committed against the author (the point of the article) instead?

I mean, I could write a comment critiquing the grammar of the article, but that's decidedly asocial behavior, and unhelpful besides.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by [deleted] »

duxup wrote: post #93
myself248 wrote: post #73

Sounds like the same reason the Derbycon organizers aren't doing it again: https://www.derbycon.com/blog/derbycon-9-0-every-beginning-h...

>This year, we had to handle issues that honestly, as an adult, we would never expect to have to handle from other adults. I had a similar experience in a class recently. I couldn't help but keep thinking "my 9 year old knows better than to behave like this" (and my 9 year old has his own developmental challenges). The behavior was really shocking considering everyone in the room was an adult. Unfortunately there was…

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Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by sophiedeziel »

somebodyelse1 wrote: post #168

I know about this case. I can say the following: Most of the facts stated on this post are lies, or lies by omissions. This guy has an harassment lawsuit against him and hes trying to protect himself. He harassed the girl in front of many witnesses in another conference IN WHICH HE WAS NOT INVITED AND THE GIRL WAS A SPEAKER, and was promptly removed from said conference because of that. She filed a police report agai…

No sure if I am willing to trust a comment from an account created 40 minutes ago.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by weberc2 »

ajkjk wrote: post #78
Mirioron wrote: post #25

I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

A responder to this wrote "Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.", which is definitely the answer that lots of people would give. Obviously this is an ideological stance, and it sounds like you probably disagree with it. But I think it's also pretty obvious, even before asking, that the only answer is going to be an ideological stance. It's one person or group's per…

> you know perfectly well why they are doing the things they do, what value system informs their actions. So what's the point of protesting it here like you're bewildered about it?

For me, it's fascinating how people can adhere to an ideology that is so overtly inconsistent. I like to hear the ways people try to reconcile such obvious inconsistencies. And one person's "bewilderment" is another person's "giving the benefit of the doubt that the ideologue is not so stupid as to espouse obviously self-defeating beliefs" which is necessary if the conversation is to have any hope of being productive.

Re: Bullshit I had to go through while organizing a software conference

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Post by weberc2 »

wccrawford wrote: post #29
Mirioron wrote: post #25

I was with the author until the diversity and equity part. Why does everything have to boil down to skin color and gender? I don't see why you need to offer this for a tech conference. It should be about ability and topics. Edit: I already regret making this post.

Because there's a well-known imbalance, and not everything balances itself. Sometimes fairness requires stepping in and lending a helping hand to right an imbalance.

There is an imbalance, but no unfairness (or at least no established unfairness--and to the extent that there is an unfairness, it probably runs in the opposite direction due to the aggregate actions taken on behalf of a popular political ideology that conflates "imbalance" and "unfairness").
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