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Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars

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Post by nostalgk »

rootusrootus wrote: post #66
nostalgk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there evidence that the big name home devices like Google Home and Amazon Echo actually collect your speech? I was under the impression it was just a small ARM board that uses recognition to execute commands. My mom has a Dot, but I am clueless.

The device itself has enough processing power to detect the wake word, everything you say after that goes to their datacenter to be processed.

Interesting. I guess I was fooled then when I took a cursory look at the specs (months ago), and only really noticed the first part. Definitely won't be buying into the trend myself.

Any ethical alternatives out there?

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Post by JohnFen »

bhauer wrote: post #10

What? > We know our smartphones, Nests and Alexas collect data, and we’ve come to accept an implicit contract: We trade personal information for convenience. With cars, we have no such expectation ... What carmakers are doing with the collected data isn’t clear. At least Tesla has demonstrated that their data collection is for training their full self-driving capability. That represents tremendous end-user value, in…

> At least Tesla has demonstrated that their data collection is for training their full self-driving capability. That represents tremendous end-user value, in my opinion.

Not to me. That data collection is the #1 reason why I would never consider buying a Tesla (and, increasingly, other new cars as well.)

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Post by ghaff »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #65
ghaff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you don't use a smartphone, for the sake of consistency. It's really hard for me to draw a distinction between home voice assistants that you can activate via a voice command and smartphones that you can activate via a voice command.

Siri and location services are the first things I turn off.

You're still trusting Apple to actually turn them off. I have zero reason to doubt Apple on this. However, I also have zero reason to think Alexa is transmitting even if it hasn't been woken up with the wake word.

Re: Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars

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Post by JohnFen »

wiggler00m wrote: post #22

"What carmakers are doing with the collected data isn’t clear." Carmakers will reduce the mortality rate from motor vehicle accidents to almost zero (with full autonomy), using the collected data. There were 37,133 MV deaths in the USA in 2017 (more than 0.01% of the population) according to Wiki.

> Carmakers will reduce the mortality rate from motor vehicle accidents to almost zero (with full autonomy), using the collected data.

Maybe.

But what else are they using that data for?

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Post by fghtr »

lmkg wrote: post #13
Pfhreak wrote: post #6

Why limit this to just cars? Is there something unique about cars? Why not phone users? Or internet users?

I think the big thing is that people expect their phones to leak some data. It communicates by definition, and that is essential to its operation. The fact that your car leaks such a large volume of sensitive data is surprising, and because it doesn't "need" to collect this data to perform its main function, which is converting dinosaurs into motion. A car also holds a different place in the American consciousness, a…

>It communicates by definition, and that is essential to its operation.

Communicating is essential. Storing this information forever is not. Processing and giving this information to "third parties" even less so.

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Post by JohnFen »

bwb wrote: post #14
danso wrote: post #3

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> I am getting kinda tired how people think data about them is "theirs". Huh? How is users wanting to control the personal data they create (e.g. telemetrics) an “extreme” movement?

Semantics :), the device created the data, they played a role but I don't see why that means they control it. If the data plays a role in improving services or life for everyone let the data serve its role. We still need strong regulations and gov agencies to enforce/protect, but I just don't see the point of claiming everything is your data blah blah.

> I don't see why that means they control it.

It's my device, therefore I have every right to control who it's going to talk to and what it's going to say.

> If the data plays a role in improving services or life for everyone let the data serve its role.

Then let the manufacturers make that case to me as part of getting my consent to collect the data.

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Post by JohnFen »

bwb wrote: post #125
michaelt wrote: post #96

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the device created the data, they played a role but I don't see why that means they control it. If I take a photo with my Canon camera, Canon doesn't own the photo even though they manufactured the device.

Agreed. If the shutter fails to open to spec, would you want them to know about it and have data to improve it via a firmware update or next version of the product? Please read my post, and really read it :). I am not saying all data is theirs, I am saying it depends on the type of data and I don't want to see no data being shared.

> If the shutter fails to open to spec, would you want them to know about it and have data to improve it via a firmware update or next version of the product?

Not without my explicit consent.

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