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Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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The arrow keys and touchbar make that machine completely unsuitable for writing code, at least for me. My right hand needs to unconsciously lock on to the arrow keys, and that's just impossible with that layout. There's nothing to grab on to. My new iMac keyboard sits in a drawer collecting dust solely because of the arrow keys. And the butterfly mechanism is unproven and untrustworthy, I don't care how many times th…

There is some claim that they've fixed the keyboard issue. Aside from that, across 2 MacBook Pro's and a MacBook Air, I've had 0 keyboard issues. I don't know if I've just gotten lucky, kept my keyboard clean, or what, but it just has never been a problem for me.

The failure rate of the butterfly keyboard design is clearly orders of magnitude too high and is the sort of thing people should genuinely lose their jobs over (and perhaps they have). But "orders of magnitude too high" might well mean one or two percent, rather than one or two tenths of a percent; outside the company, I don't think we have any reasonable estimates of the failure rate, just anecdotes. My work laptop has no problem, although its lid is usually closed; my home laptop, a MacBook Escape, also has had no keyswitch problems, although I mostly use an iPad for portable work now. Most of my coworkers have new butterfly-switch keyboards and I don't hear of significant issues; I've talked with a couple Mac IT people at different companies and they haven't experienced huge failure rates, either. This is, again, all anecdotal, though; some people will come back and say "I'm in an eight-person group and three of us had bad keyboards."

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

What’s the battery life like?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Mac user since 1984. Zero problems with my 2017 MBP other than a loose command key that was replaced same-day, within 5 mins after arriving at the store. My company has bought 20+ MBP in the past two years. We’ve had three units with screen issues (stuck pixels etc) that were all replaced on the spot. None of that outweighs the conveniences of OS X. I’ve been reading about how Apple screwed the pooch for almost forty…

15% of your laptops have had major hardware issues in 2 years? Seems ridiculously bad given this is a premium product. I will never understand the loyalty to Macs given they are so obviously inferior to PC offerings these days.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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The arrow keys and touchbar make that machine completely unsuitable for writing code, at least for me. My right hand needs to unconsciously lock on to the arrow keys, and that's just impossible with that layout. There's nothing to grab on to. My new iMac keyboard sits in a drawer collecting dust solely because of the arrow keys. And the butterfly mechanism is unproven and untrustworthy, I don't care how many times th…

The butterfly mechanism isn't the problem, they've been used in Panasonic laptops for years. The problem is pushing it to such extremes.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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FWIW, this update includes an updated keyboard. Whether or not that's a fix remains to be seen.

Given it is the 3rd attempt at fixing a fundamentally broken mechanism design, I think it's fairly likely it doesn't actually fix anything. Edit: lol, they actually have already included this new laptop in the keyboard replacement program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m...

I find it astonishing that they've included it in the replacement program. That gives me no confidence whatsoever, and after having replaced and returned both 2016 and 2017 MBP models, I am going to stay well clear of this keyboard form factor.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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As a Vim user: no physical escape key, no deal. I've recently tried working on one of these, and the bar is really annoying for another reason: as you switch between apps it keeps changing right in the corner of your vision, distracting from what's going on on the screen. WTF were they thinking?

I was also of this mind but I'm really pleased with the workaround of mapping Caps Lock to Escape (more ergonomic when using Escape) and mapping Left Shift + Right Shift to Caps Lock when pressed simultaneously. I use Karabiner-Elements ( https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/document.html ) to implement these remaps in addition to some others such as Shift + Delete/Backspace for forward delete.

The problem with this is this is just one of half a dozen other computers I'd be using. I see no reason whatsoever to remap anything to anything after paying nearly $4K for the privilege. It should adapt to the way I've been doing things for the past 25 years, and intend to continue for 25 more.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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As a Vim user, just do what any sane man would do and rebind caps lock to escape. Much better.

what's a good way for vim to have that when you ssh into a remote box? Would you do the rebinding in the Terminal app or something, agent forwarding or something similar? I ssh into newly provisioned boxes regularly to edit some config files so I'd need something that works not just locally...

The remap is at the OS level, so if you remap caps lock to control or escape, that's what your machine will send over SSH when you press it. No need to change for every terminal app you use.

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Keeping an updated Win10 on the laptop is a good idea, it makes the unit easier to sell when it’s time to move on. And you don’t want to pay for that twice.

There's really no need to keep Win10 on the laptop. The Win10 license is kept in the UEFI so you can reinstall from a Win10 ISO at any time and it will activate correctly. This even has the added bonus of removing the Dell bloatware from your Windows install.

> The Win10 license is kept in the UEFI so you can reinstall from a Win10 ISO at any time and it will activate correctly.

Not if Windows 10 detected that you have "major" hardware changes. In which case, your new installation won't be activated (granted, Microsoft doesn't enforce activation on). You may need to extract the license key from UEFI and type it in manually to get activation to work. It's a hassle.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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To anyone who has used the apple keyboard service program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m... How long does it take to get your macbook back? I'm having this issue and I want to figure out how long i'm going to be out of commission for

They're now replacing them in-store. It was 4 days when I took mine in to the Palo Alto store, back when they had to ship it out.
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