Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by masklinn » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

akamel wrote: post #67

nothis wrote: post #46

I checked their store out of curiosity. Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400 WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I get that you pay for the design, I get the quirks like introducing touch bar, everything. But I don't get why upgrading from a $50 to a $100 SSD adds 400 dollars.

Because they don't use slow SSDs. The read / write speeds on the SSD in the Macbook Pro are insane. see: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastes... we are talking at least 6x what other laptops use.

The listed performances are those are that of a 970 EVO (and the 970 EVO Plus improved on write speed, to almost par with read speed at 3500 and 3300).

The 1TB EVO Plus is $250 on newegg. Not as replacement for an existing 500GB, just retail price for the drive. The 2TB EVO is listed at $550, the 2TB EVO Plus is listed at $650.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by superhuzza » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:57 PM UTC

skierguy wrote: post #40

swozey wrote: post #14

These used to excite me because I've desperately needed 32gb and faster procs and used to upgrade every 2-3 years but now I just yawn at MBP releases. I'm so unexcited by everything about this form factor other than the fact that it has OSX. I'm guessing I'll be on my 2016 until I finally bite the bullet and quit using OSX if they don't make a more compelling package to spend my $3k on in the next few years. I don't…

I thought the same thing. Now I'm stuck with a $1500 Asus laptop that barely plays Netflix a year and a half later. despite an 7th gen i7 and 16gb of DDR4. Now I'm saving up for a Macbook Pro again, despite my hatred for the keyboard and touchbar.

Bizzare, my $800 Asus from 2013 still plays Netflix just fine. But I did swap in an SSD and replaced the battery once.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by pathartl » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

unicornfinder wrote: post #81

ericabiz wrote: post #51

We repair these as part of our business, and to be clear, both the keyboards and the screens are failing on these at an alarming rate. iFixit detailed the issues with the screens, which (in Apple's unending quest for "thinness") use a thinner flex cable to connect the display to the rest of the laptop. This thinner cable is prone to breakage, and we are already seeing 2016-2017 MacBook Pros in our shop regularly for…

I would add to this that I genuinely don't think that the keyboard failures are due to dust - it seems far more likely to me that the switches are simply failing due to poor design.

Is the switches failing because of dust not poor mechanical design?

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by TimTheTinker » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

soperj wrote: post #115

TimTheTinker wrote: post #94

Apple designers need a new mantra, the age-old adage: "Form follows function." As it is, they're choosing a form ahead of time and compromising on function. The vast majority of users choose Macs because of the great OS and the hardware specs. The "thinness" or "sleekness" is only a nice-to-have, and only if it doesn't require compromise elsewhere.

hardware specs? They usually very outdated. They didn't update the air processor for like 4 generations.

I didn't mean Apple's are always top-of-the-line. Only that specs are usually close to the top of customers' criteria.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by mikestew » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

I'll get excited when they issue a press release detailing how the 5th generation keyboard is really going to fix it this time, because they gave up on butterfly^W^W^W^Whave an amazing new mechanism. All the cores in the world do me no good if I cannot efficiently input characters into the machine.

Better hurry up, Apple, the mid-2012 is starting to get cranky, and I wouldn't want to have to buy a ThinkPad.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by mmastrac » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:58 PM UTC

If I get a new Apple laptop, it'll be on a business lease because there's just _way_ too much risk in owning one of these new models with the display and keyboard problems.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by allset_ » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

joezydeco wrote: post #128

gilbetron wrote: post #74

After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…

Keeping an updated Win10 on the laptop is a good idea, it makes the unit easier to sell when it’s time to move on. And you don’t want to pay for that twice.

There's really no need to keep Win10 on the laptop. The Win10 license is kept in the UEFI so you can reinstall from a Win10 ISO at any time and it will activate correctly. This even has the added bonus of removing the Dell bloatware from your Windows install.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by akamel » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #121

akamel wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't use slow SSDs. The read / write speeds on the SSD in the Macbook Pro are insane. see: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastes... we are talking at least 6x what other laptops use.

Your article is comparing against non workstation class laptops. Other laptops in the same class put two NVME SSDs in a RAID configuration for double the throughout.

And in those workstation class laptops (that use NVMe PCIe SSD), do you only pay 50$ more to upgrade from 512gb to 1tb?

No one is saying those SSDs are Apple exclusive, they are however expensive.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by dawnerd » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

hayksaakian wrote: post #122

To anyone who has used the apple keyboard service program: https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-m... How long does it take to get your macbook back? I'm having this issue and I want to figure out how long i'm going to be out of commission for

About three days. Opted to have it shipped back to me and they overnighted it.

Re: Apple introduces 8-core MacBook Pro

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Post by gnicholas » Tue, May 21, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

el_benhameen wrote: post #102

velcrovan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The articles make clear that only 3rd-gen replacements (the ones with last year's new membrane) will get today’s new keyboards. 1st and 2nd-gen customers are still stuck (no pun intended) with their original problem designs.

I just had the keyboard (really the entire top assembly) replaced on my 13" 2016 mbp, and I'm pretty sure it got the 4th gen keyboard. The keys feel and sound significantly different, and the Apple employee who did the replacement (or I think that's who I talked to) said that they were putting redesigned keyboards in for the replacements. I was pretty unhappy that I had to get this done and I'm still not in love with…

That's really interesting. Where are you located? I had my 2017 done a few months ago (back when they were shipping them all out), and I definitely got the old mechanism. Would love to get the new version!