A person I know who works for Adobe, interviewed a girl for an entry position job. She was asked questions like "What is the size of RAM? etc". She got hired. They are married now. I dont know but I think this could have gone sideways for the interviewer.
Men, commit to mentor women
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
"No longer"? #MeToo was about highlighting how many dysfunctional behaviours occurred with the current set of norms, so clearly the old norms didn't work great either.
I suspect that view depends on your gender. I didn't mean that as a facetious comment. As (hopefully) a non-creepy male I was blissfully unaware of the prevalence. I didn't do it, see it, hear it - and therefore it didn't happen. Therefore nothing to worry about. Now I know it happens far more frequently that I'd thought, I worry about it. Plus, unlike a lot of other workplace issues, it's.. well currently awkward (f…
Maybe more realistic scenario is just when working away asking "Can you come to my room so we can spend 30 mins updating the deck for tomorrow?"
Think I'd have been fine asking that previously - and now maybe less so. We can try to lurk in a corner of the lobby, which is annoying loud and doesn't have a desk.
But that change involves the thought of "maybe I'm considered to be a creepy male" - and that's not a nice thought to have (although probably good for me).
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#33It’s a simple risk reward call. There is far more risk of accidentally crossing the line with the opposite sex. Yes MeToo has shed light on a lot and no doubt been a net positive but there will be a time until the dust settles and people learn how to work together safely. We no longer have a good formal set of norms for male female interaction. Maybe that could make some sense in situations like the work place where…
Its unfortunate but it is what it is. Telling people to do it despite the risk involved is just bad advice.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are getting close.
You bait and switch it as a military backed outdoor team-building exercise and wait till everyone is half way up a mountain and can't easily get away before getting a six and a half foot transexual marine to terrify them into understanding the concept of intersectionality.
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#35It’s a simple risk reward call. There is far more risk of accidentally crossing the line with the opposite sex. Yes MeToo has shed light on a lot and no doubt been a net positive but there will be a time until the dust settles and people learn how to work together safely. We no longer have a good formal set of norms for male female interaction. Maybe that could make some sense in situations like the work place where…
"No longer"? #MeToo was about highlighting how many dysfunctional behaviours occurred with the current set of norms, so clearly the old norms didn't work great either.
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#36What the heck. As a (trans) woman who is non-tech in a tech company I find this stat concerning. Just talk to me like a I'm a fellow human, it's not that hard! PS; not too sure what 'working alone' means in terms of a common work activity?
it's not just men seeing woman as something other than human, it's fear, misinformation, the idea the men are always the predator, mixed with the fact that both legitimate and illegitimate claims look the same i.e he said/ she said, half the time.
I totally get why men are aware that any misstep, even in it's most accidental way could be seen as harassment, and be career ending.
plus, from a outside perspective, a male boss working closely with a younger female is always going to raise eyebrows, even if their relationship is purely work/professional.
woman carry keys in their fists walking home, in fear that they might be attacked.
men avoid being in "compromising" situations with woman in the work place, even if it's just professional.
though, this is just my opinion.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
You bait and switch it as a military backed outdoor team-building exercise and wait till everyone is half way up a mountain and can't easily get away before getting a six and a half foot transexual marine to terrify them into understanding the concept of intersectionality.
Lol. I like it.
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#38It’s a simple risk reward call. There is far more risk of accidentally crossing the line with the opposite sex. Yes MeToo has shed light on a lot and no doubt been a net positive but there will be a time until the dust settles and people learn how to work together safely. We no longer have a good formal set of norms for male female interaction. Maybe that could make some sense in situations like the work place where…
Its not just about accidentally crossing the line but the possibility of bad intentions. Especially if there is a difference in power. University has the same problem. Never be alone in a room with a female student you have to grade is really important advice for male Professors. Having a third party sit in in one on one meetings is generally a reasonable precaution. Its simply to big of a risk to take. Its only reas…
For anyone to accuse someone of sexual harassment is 100% career killing move.
So when 2 people in the room, the one with least power has the most to loose in bringing accusations.
Re: Men, commit to mentor women
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not just about accidentally crossing the line but the possibility of bad intentions. Especially if there is a difference in power. University has the same problem. Never be alone in a room with a female student you have to grade is really important advice for male Professors. Having a third party sit in in one on one meetings is generally a reasonable precaution. Its simply to big of a risk to take. Its only reas…
The problem is that risk reward is so skewed in other direction. For anyone to accuse someone of sexual harassment is 100% career killing move. So when 2 people in the room, the one with least power has the most to loose in bringing accusations.
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I suspect that view depends on your gender. I didn't mean that as a facetious comment. As (hopefully) a non-creepy male I was blissfully unaware of the prevalence. I didn't do it, see it, hear it - and therefore it didn't happen. Therefore nothing to worry about. Now I know it happens far more frequently that I'd thought, I worry about it. Plus, unlike a lot of other workplace issues, it's.. well currently awkward (f…
OK - more facetious than I thought. Sorry. Maybe more realistic scenario is just when working away asking "Can you come to my room so we can spend 30 mins updating the deck for tomorrow?" Think I'd have been fine asking that previously - and now maybe less so. We can try to lurk in a corner of the lobby, which is annoying loud and doesn't have a desk. But that change involves the thought of "maybe I'm considered to b…
Basically, you give them power to decide where they feel comfortable most. Especially first time around.
“Can you come to my room in 30m to do blah” is an order basically, so as a result you already create hostile situation irrelevant of gender.