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Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my own personal experience, I had an occasion where, almost by accident, I felt the absence of all my limiting thoughts, for a short spell. I get what is being suggested by "be yourself", but I also think people can have a lot of layers that need to be peeled back before that's even evident, and if you propel yourself forward through action and change, one's vantage point of what "being yourself" is may have a qua…

I think I might've stretched what is traditionally meant by "be yourself" too far. The model I suggested was to take psychological pain as a hint that you are not living according to your principles. An explicit example of this would be addiction. You know it is not in your best interest to be doing a particular thing, but you do it anyways, thus psychological pain. You are not living in accordance to what you aspire…

> my idea is that psychological pain (or lack of) can be a compass as to whether our answers are on the right track.

You obviously didn't have any serious contact with the people who have psychological problems:

Some actually have psychological pain almost constantly, unless they do something that distracts them from that, but even bigger pain if they try to change anything. That's the "loop" in which they live and from which they believe there's no escape (it's also one of excuses for developing addictions). And the escape can be: surviving the bigger initial pain coming from their attempt to change. That's why they need help, at best from good professionals, like CBT is supposed to be. Their everyday environment (including the people closest to them) is often also a problem typically contributing to them being “trapped” in the loop.

It's really a very hard topic. Even the whole big groups of people (i.e. those that identify themselves with political parties) in the whole nations often live in some big denials (1), exactly staying in the "loop" where they even support them to "be themselves" in the sense of not having introspection and courage to change themselves to the better. Which would mean that they should reevaluate their "values" and not stick to them.

It's that hard. And I'm intentionally addressing your claim "you must attempt to live according to your principles and values." I don't agree. You must be ready to constantly question "your principles and values." They aren't absolute truths, you've just acquired them from your environment and these very values can be destructive both to you and often to other people that depend on your actions.

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1) And I can name you some really big denials constantly kept in both of the two most influential U.S. parties, for example.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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Personally have been going through this myself, and recently. Some things which make me feel better: * Finding my own independence to do things. I often tied my own activities to that of my partner. So many times I felt like I was WAITING for things, when I didn't need to be. * Find your own hobbies which are outside of work related things. I am interested in kite surfing for example. I've never done it, but I've beg…

> There is something about tackling things you DON'T want to do, and getting satisfaction from having accomplished doing it. It's even better than that with regards to exercise. I've been forced to ski by my girlfriend. I've hated it for the first 5 days, I was terrified for my life, literally. I wrote a 10 page document on how not to die since my braking and turning weren't really reliable. Yet, every evening, despi…

I used to drive to work/school my whole life, choosing to ride a bike also meant choosing to take a good chance of dying on the road. I then purchased a motorcycle, and I thought things would change, but it didn't. Even on a motorcycle, people would run me into ditches without looking and carry on their busy way without a notice or a bother. So I got a loud horn and loud pipes, and things improved a little.

I sold my vehicles and moved to a biking city, where my main method of transportation is biking. I've been here for less than two years, and I'm in the best shape of my life, mentally and physically.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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You are brilliant, you are also brilliantly misunderstood. What you are offering here is a partial statement in coding parlance. If you wish to DM me I would be delighted to speak to you more but let me help you through this based on what data you have inputted. You don't have low self confidence, you have low risk tolerance. The fact that you can code, and I presume code well, means you have skills. I would like to collaborate with you to work on something, anything of your choice, and make it work, I will push you to take risks as a stranger who will be your cheerleader. I am doing this because I too have been like you, and sometimes still am. I am not sure if this is allowed but try me at rudy@qangos.com with the subject line: I am ready to take a risk.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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post #135

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I've tried meditation on multiple occasions, using Headspace and other apps, as well as without any outside input. I've consistently meditated for over a month at times, but after that month, I still _hated_ it. I'm not someone who usually has a hard time getting into the habit of something, but I've never been able to get into meditating, and I never noticed any positive effects. Do you have any thoughts on my exper…

What did you specifically hate about meditation?

It makes me insane to sit still doing nothing for that long, which I think is kind of the point -- that you have to sit with your thoughts. But I don't have any issues sitting with my thoughts, I just don't like having to do nothing, and since I didn't see any benefits after a month+, it felt really pointless.

So I guess the short answer is, a combination of restlessness and feeling like I wasn't getting anywhere.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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I think I know exactly how you might feel. Until around 1 month ago I was struggling with the same kind of problems. I won't detail it here because I don't feel like exposing it publicly, but those problems included socializing. Over the years, I worked very hard to try to change and be a more interesting person. I am honestly very good at my job but otherwise my life was boring and sucked. I was a very shy and introvert person. I believed that was just how I was and how I was born, nothing I could change.

I spent tens of hours on Google, Reddit and Quora, desperately looking for the miraculous advice that might work for me. I tried every advice I could find on Internet, from exercice and meditation to NoFap. Some helped me feel a little better, but in the end I didn't feel happy and the problem was still here. And I regularly felt depressed and anxious. Some people talked to me about therapy and I saw many people writing obout it on Internet, but I never really thought about it. That was not for me, I didn't think my problem was bad enough. I sometimes thought about trying it but never actually took the decision.

One day, I experienced an unusually violent anxiety attack. That was the moment I admitted to myself that despite wanting to get better and working hard towards it, I was not getting better at all. I decided to ask help to a psychologist. And I sent one an email to him during this attack. Because I knew I wasn't going to do it later when I would feel better.

That was one month ago. Now keep in mind that what is below is my humble experience. It is probably different for everybody, and there are many kinds of therapy. Only an expert can determine which one is suited for someone.

I thought it was going to take a long, slow and painful time. But from the very first session I experienced dramatically and "miraculous" changes. The same day I walked for the first time of my life in a nightclub. Trying a new experience after this first session helped me realize many things and patterns of thinking I had. Honestly a bit of alcohol also helped me (I use to not drink at all, so even just one beer made me reasonably drunk). On the last weeks I experienced many new experiences, progressively achieving to break my own barriers. Last weekend, I went on two parties, Karaoke, went all-out in dancing like everyone else, and spend all the night here. Without drinking. Until one month ago, I never danced, sang or spent a full night outside.

There is also this guy. You know, the one that is always crazy in a group of people. The one that jokes, has always something fun to say or do. The one that leads the party. I always had a negative view of this kind of person (for whatever reason), but secretly jealoused them for being so extrovert. Last week, I wanted to follow this guy. I sang with him, followed him in whatever funny stuff he tried, and I actually did it without fear. And I never felt that great in my life before. I never felt so free of myself.

In my case I started a "cognitive psychotherapy" (I hope the translation is right - I am not a native English speaker). The way it works is that I talk to my therapist about my experiences and about my problems. The therapist does not gives me much counsels nor says what I have to do. When I talk, he just asks some very precise, simple and targeted questions like "why". The first thing that comes to my mind, even if it seems ridiculous or off topic is usually the most interesting one. And by doing that, I discover links between my behaviour and specific past experiences. Links that I wasn't aware of. For every topic we cover, I become conscious of decisions I made long ago and forgot (while still observing it). Most of the time it is from my childhood or teenagerhood, and either from difficult experiences or from the very strict education I received (by-the-way I never thought before that it could have been wrong). What is interesting is that I don't change during the therapy sessions. I actually change between them. Because every time I become aware of those links, I also become free of thinking again about it. I can decide if it was a good choice or not. I can decide to break the pattern or not.

I never felt so happy. I feel so free. It has only been one month. I still have a lot of things to discover about myself, a lot of chains to break. But now I found the path. And I'm definitely going to find where it leads.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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post #151
post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I might've stretched what is traditionally meant by "be yourself" too far. The model I suggested was to take psychological pain as a hint that you are not living according to your principles. An explicit example of this would be addiction. You know it is not in your best interest to be doing a particular thing, but you do it anyways, thus psychological pain. You are not living in accordance to what you aspire…

> my idea is that psychological pain (or lack of) can be a compass as to whether our answers are on the right track. You obviously didn't have any serious contact with the people who have psychological problems: Some actually have psychological pain almost constantly, unless they do something that distracts them from that, but even bigger pain if they try to change anything. That's the "loop" in which they live and f…

I agree wholeheartedly, and hoped to get across everything you said. I took care to mention in the bottom of both of my posts that your beliefs can be wrong/misguided, and CBT could help with something related to self-esteem. I don't know if could stretch that into political beliefs. I also don't think principles and self is a static thing. I should've been more explicit about that.

I'm not really proposing a solution, just an observation that these things, who you aspire to be/principles vs. how you live your life, seem to be coupled with psychological problems.

I think we are pretty much on the same page honestly.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you specifically hate about meditation?

It makes me insane to sit still doing nothing for that long, which I think is kind of the point -- that you have to sit with your thoughts. But I don't have any issues sitting with my thoughts, I just don't like having to do nothing, and since I didn't see any benefits after a month+, it felt really pointless. So I guess the short answer is, a combination of restlessness and feeling like I wasn't getting anywhere.

That may be part of what you are missing with meditation. You want to have no thoughts and be in tune with your surroundings.

The technique taught to me was this.

1) Start with eyes closed and listen your surroundings. If there's a bird let it in, do not try to tune out sounds, but accept them lile a radio in the background.

2) Start at your feet and sense or feel them for about 10 seconds. Slowly move up your body, legs, arms, chest head. Sense every part of your body.. focus on it.

3) When you reach the top of your head Relax and focus on your surroundings... the wind, the feelings...

Should take about 20 minutes.

Re: Ask HN: Low self confidence and self esteem. How to improve?

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All the posts below ignored one huge thing. I'm going to provide a list of actions that transformed my life when I was 19 and solved the problems you mentioned. How? These habits increased my confidence, calmed my mind, and increased self-awareness. Habits & systems are everything. Number 1 is the MOST important and is paramount. None of the rest will work without it: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/nofap . Don't dismiss…

gonna need an explanation on how no fap is related to self esteem doc.

Yeah, I can't understand the no fap cult. Having a strong sex drive and finding it overwhelming at times is just the way humans are made. Wanting to look at porn and nudity, those are pretty much the way humans have been forever. As an example, look at the life of ben franklin 250 years ago, who like a lot of our founding fathers had a very active 'secret' sex life [1], [2]. Almost everyone is like that, in that at times they feel like they are obsessed with sex. If you can't ever get out of bed and do anything but look at porn, that's a problem; but it's just who we are as human beings that we sometimes do a manual override.

All that other advice people give about exercise, doing just a little bit of stuff you want every day, getting therapy - I'm all for that. But cut yourself a break too, you are a human animal.

[1] https://www.biography.com/news/benjamin-franklin-ladies-man-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advice_to_a_Friend_on_Choosing...

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