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Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by useerup »

it_can_be_done wrote: post #41
useerup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah no. The EU countries have agreed, that the home country of the organization (not the country of the data subject) will take the lead in any GDPR enforcement. Facebook in EU is registered in Ireland. Ireland is making a mockery of GDPR, slow walking investigations while paying lip service to GDPR. Ireland is a leech. They've figured out that they can attract global companies through very lenient tax auditing and (n…

This is wrong, in every country there is national data protection authority who you should contact. "EU countries have set up national bodies responsible for protecting personal data in accordance with Article 8(3) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU." Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/data... https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/board/members_en

It is correct that as a data subject you should file any complaints about GDPR with the data protection agency of your country of residence. However, that agency will refer the complaint/case to the data protection agency of the company in question.

You may lodge a complaint with the designated data protection agency in Germany, but when they establish that the complaint is against Facebook residing in Ireland, they will refer the complaint to Ireland. Ireland clearly sees slow walking complaints as a competitive advantage.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by nzealand »

rubenverborgh wrote: post #44
koboll wrote: post #25

It seems like Facebook has staked out a legal position on this. A dubious one likely to fail and doubtless designed mostly to buy time, but a legal position nonetheless, which will only be struck down by a court, not an email reply chain. You had me up until the legalese email, after which the correct response is to sue. You lost me with the belligerent reply ranting about what Mark said in the Washington Post. It se…

No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet. Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.

  Unfortunately, that tool only gives me all of the data I put on there myself. So nothing I didn’t already have
I believe that is all you are entitled to, under the data portability portion of GDPR:

  The data subject shall have the right to receive the personal data concerning him or her, which he or she has provided to a controller
For information about you, uploaded by someone else, I thought your rights are not so clear:

  Where personal data have not been obtained from the data subject, the controller shall provide the data subject with the following information:

  (c) the purposes of the processing for which the personal data are intended as well as the legal basis for the processing;

  (d) the categories of personal data concerned;

  (e) the recipients or categories of recipients of the personal data

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by it_can_be_done »

useerup wrote: post #61
it_can_be_done wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is wrong, in every country there is national data protection authority who you should contact. "EU countries have set up national bodies responsible for protecting personal data in accordance with Article 8(3) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the EU." Source: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/data... https://edpb.europa.eu/about-edpb/board/members_en

It is correct that as a data subject you should file any complaints about GDPR with the data protection agency of your country of residence. However, that agency will refer the complaint/case to the data protection agency of the company in question. You may lodge a complaint with the designated data protection agency in Germany, but when they establish that the complaint is against Facebook residing in Ireland, they…

Thank you for detailed explanation I get it now.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by ncallaway »

qxcbr wrote: post #9
mikejb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What exactly are they afraid of? Exposing the level of detail in the data accumulated. This starts at "opened the messenger app at this location on this date&time" and goes to "visited this Facebook-unrelated website on these times". Having to provide all of this data exposes the detailed profile they're getting on people.

They are only getting what you are giving to them. If you decide to browse the web without uBlock Origin or if you decide to use Android, you know what you're being exposed to.

> If you decide to browse the web without uBlock Origin or if you decide to use Android, you know what you're being exposed to.

This is just clearly and verifiably false for the vast majority of users who browse the internet.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by mugsie »

drtz wrote: post #60
mugsie wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ireland is a leech. Eh, a leech that took the brunt of the real estate crunch for the EU? A leech would have let the German banks fold instead of paying bond holders. > Ireland is making a mockery of GDPR, slow walking investigations while paying lip service to GDPR. Slow walking is pushing it - the agreement to allow home countries be the enforcement authority put a massive burden on a really small country and its…

Isn't Ireland is home to these business because they have lower corporate taxes than the rest of the EU? Lower taxes likely make it harder to fund the regulatory agencies that should oversee these companies, which were intentionally courted to Ireland with lower taxes. I don't disagree with you, but it seems to be largely a problem of Ireland's own making.

Sure, that is definitely part of it, but without those companies, our income tax take would be lower, so we are probably in a net positive.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by HNLurker2 »

archi42 wrote: post #10

IMHO to support Ruben's cause, we should all request our data from Facebook. At least those of us who are eligible for that "privilege". A hand full of people are just an annoyance and can be easily stalled. But to stall many more without running in legal trouble seems more difficult to me, and requires Facebook to actually invest some resources into it.

Google myactivity has that. But I'll be happy to get an api for it to integrate for productivity purposes

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by Angostura »

panglott wrote: post #58
Angostura wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One person's 'tone policing' is another person's 'advice on how to most effectivly get your point across'.

It's not helpful advice. The post above attacks the author's writing credibility due solely to its emotional tenor. That's essentially an ad hominem.

> he should create a second, more black-and-white version that comes off as more credible and is less easily dismissed.

Its absolutely not ad hom. It's saying that the writing style chosen isn't optimal if the author wants to be seen as credible. It says nothing about the author, his credentials, or expertise and does not attack him as a person.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by pdonis »

rubenverborgh wrote: post #44
koboll wrote: post #25

It seems like Facebook has staked out a legal position on this. A dubious one likely to fail and doubtless designed mostly to buy time, but a legal position nonetheless, which will only be struck down by a court, not an email reply chain. You had me up until the legalese email, after which the correct response is to sue. You lost me with the belligerent reply ranting about what Mark said in the Washington Post. It se…

No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet. Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.

> I really just want my data

Is data posted on FB by other people, which just happens to be (partly) about you, "your" data?

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by megous »

deanc wrote: post #28
rando444 wrote: post #21

Under the GDPR, each country has a Data Protection Authority set up in order to enforce and supervise these rules. The author needs to contact his country's DPA and they will be the ones to drop the hammer on Facebook. Facebook might not listen to an end user, but European governmental authorities have the power to force them to. It's the only logical next step in my opinion.

That's all well and good, until you realise the actual resources the DPA's are working under. Here in Finland it's a tiny organisation [1] and it was reported that they are completely overwhelmed with all the problems post-GDPR. [1] https://tietosuoja.fi/etusivu

Same in my country. Here the DPA is providing summaries of cases + reasoning to the public, so that it can be refered to when making GDPR requests to companies in similar cases, making it more likely to get compliance.

Re: Getting my personal data out of Facebook

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Post by icebraining »

pdonis wrote: post #68
rubenverborgh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worries, that e-mail is definitely not my only response. Not putting all my cards on the table yet. Grandstanding is not my goal; it's a means of attracting attention to a matter that people have been desensitized to. A secondary goal is to cause internal escalation. In the end, I really just want my data, as way to create a path for myself and others.

> I really just want my data Is data posted on FB by other people, which just happens to be (partly) about you, "your" data?

Since he's making the request under the GDPR, yes; if the data relates to him, it's his personal data.
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