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People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by Animats »

sq_ wrote: post #20
2819b wrote: post #9

Outside of tech, there are certainly industries that thrive on low-paid junior workers and get away with it because there are so many desperate for a "foot in the door" that they don't have to pay more e.g. entertainment, most D.C. gov jobs.

Even inside of tech, I think one can safely say that there are certain areas that do the same. Game development for instance.

NASA was once like that. A long time ago.

Game development is hell if you're not at the top.

Dealing with Hollywood is a pain if you're not dazzled by the industry. Either they're in development and their credit cards bounce, or they're in production and they want a new feature yesterday.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by rexpop »

duxup wrote: post #12

I've worked jobs where I loved that exact job and I was willing to compromise and make less money than I otherwise might elsewhere to stay in that situation. Everyone understood that to be the case, me, employer. I don't think the employer was taking advantage of me, they were creating the exact environment that I really enjoyed.... that was the trade. I was also involved in a situation where we had some inters we hi…

> Sitting in your cube and convincing yourself you're being taken advantage of doesn't mean you are.

This is a condescending attitude verging on gaslighting.

"Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true."

A low-power truism used to dismiss real pain.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by antt »

wesammikhail wrote: post #21
scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

This is what the oppressor vs oppressed narrative will get you. A constant state of trying to identify the group that is exploiting another even when such thing does not exist.

Given that the Waltons family is worth more than the bottom billion people on the planet and their main achievement was being born from the right vagina, yes exploitation exists.

Now the question for that billion is, are the Waltons worth eating? Which I suppose depends on how badly the crops have failed that year.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by fhood »

kstenerud wrote: post #37

Since nobody is actually reading the article, let me sum it up: In a survey of regular people (not EvilCorp CEOs), "people consider it more legitimate to make passionate employees leave family to work on a weekend, work unpaid, and handle unrelated tasks that were not in the job description." "This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and…

Hopefully the title change will encourage fewer knee jerk comments.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

scardine wrote: post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

In capitalism, by definition you are compensated less than the work you put in. The leftover is called "Surplus". And that is divvied up between the board,C levels, and shareholders (sometimes). The surplus is never split up to the ones who actually do the work.

I'm sure the complaint will be that I'm calling for state socialism. Nope. I'm calling for worker coops, and worker owned businesses. That way, we the workers can profit(positively or negatively) from our own input.

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Post by tibiahurried »

I have learned the hard way not to fall in "love" with any job and it is paying very well!

After having been let down from pretty much all my managers and companies I have worked for, I decided to radically change my attitude.

I only stick around a company for as long as: - I can constantly learn and improve my skills - I can work with smart people - Salary, benefits, and bonuses match the market

As soon as one of these conditions no longer holds I start looking for a new job.

A job is a contract where a company pays you in exchange for your services nothing more nothing less.

It is not worth it to buy into the company X.Y.Z hype of changing the world. Company social events etc.. I have a simple rule, If I stay up all night fixing s..t I do expect that to be rewarded $$ and not just in beers, chocolates or just thank you.

At the end of the day when you leave your job, no one is gonna care for all the non-rewarded hard work that you did it to save the day. No one is gonna remember that, especially your boss.

Make yourself a favor: always keep in mind that the most important thing is yourself and your family. So always do what's best for you. A job is just a job even if they provide massages and fancy perks in the office ;)

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by JohnFen »

chirau wrote: post #10
JohnFen wrote: post #2

If I love my job, then I'm not being taken advantage of (from my perspective). If I'm being taken advantage of, that is a strong force to get me to hate my job. Whether or not my supervisors think they're taking advantage of me is a different matter, and one that is largely irrelevant to me.

Not necessarily. You could love your job and compensation and all ... but that could change when you realize someone of your rank is earning double for the same work. "Loving" is not binary. There might be room to love it even more, especially if they stop taking advantage of you.

> but that could change

If it changes, then I no longer love my job...

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by JohnFen »

kstenerud wrote: post #15
JohnFen wrote: post #2

If I love my job, then I'm not being taken advantage of (from my perspective). If I'm being taken advantage of, that is a strong force to get me to hate my job. Whether or not my supervisors think they're taking advantage of me is a different matter, and one that is largely irrelevant to me.

From the article: "In one study, participants who read that an artist was strongly passionate about his job said it was more legitimate for the boss to exploit the artist than those who read the artist wasn’t as passionate. This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and cleaning the office bathroom." These are regular people taking part in…

> These are regular people taking part in a survey, saying that it's OK to make a passionate person cancel a family weekend outing TO CLEAN THE OFFICE BATHROOM.

If I were required to do that sort of thing, then I would consider that being taken advantage of, and I would stop loving the job.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Post by JohnFen »

gretch wrote: post #24
blacktonystark wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its like if spanking was your fetish but the person spanking you believes they are punishing you. It's irrelevant to the person being spanked as long as they enjoy it.

I feel like this entire forum demonstrates a chronic pessimism by rejecting the idea that a deal can be a 'win-win', that somehow both participants in the deal can benefit and the world is non-zero

I think that my comment, and the one you're directly replying to, are both describing win-win situations.
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