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People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

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post #5

If you hate your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. If you love your job, someone may be taking advantage of you. Someone may be taking advantage of you. Or not. Who knows?

I think your comment sums up my working life better than the article.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#12
I've worked jobs where I loved that exact job and I was willing to compromise and make less money than I otherwise might elsewhere to stay in that situation.

Everyone understood that to be the case, me, employer.

I don't think the employer was taking advantage of me, they were creating the exact environment that I really enjoyed.... that was the trade.

I was also involved in a situation where we had some inters we hired who put in a TON of extra work (the other interns very much not so...). These guys didn't have to but they put in a lot of work as interns and kept at it after that. They were paid less than those around them (granted still paid quite well) with more experience, but in return they got to start in a position that they otherwise would not start in (more experience required), and that took extra work on their part to get caught up.

They loved the work, their careers got a pretty big boost and after a while they were making roughly the same as everyone else (ballpark).

I think half the battle here is communication. Talk to your boss and get on the same page if you can.

Sitting in your cube and convincing yourself you're being taken advantage of doesn't mean you are.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#14
post #8

Of course. I long developed that inner rule: whenever i am going to execute any business transaction and know i will not feel guilty as a result, i am going to be taken advantage of and should not do it.

That assumes zero-sum, and one-time transactions. Two parties can have a transaction where both go away happy, neither was taken advantage of, and both would like to do it again. If you push to have a transaction that's to your advantage, you might get one, and you might also make someone less inclined to do business with you again.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#15
post #2

If I love my job, then I'm not being taken advantage of (from my perspective). If I'm being taken advantage of, that is a strong force to get me to hate my job. Whether or not my supervisors think they're taking advantage of me is a different matter, and one that is largely irrelevant to me.

From the article:

"In one study, participants who read that an artist was strongly passionate about his job said it was more legitimate for the boss to exploit the artist than those who read the artist wasn’t as passionate. This finding extended to asking for work far beyond the job description, including leaving a day at the park with family and cleaning the office bathroom."

These are regular people taking part in a survey, saying that it's OK to make a passionate person cancel a family weekend outing TO CLEAN THE OFFICE BATHROOM.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#17
Labor is the source of value. The managerial and owner class is paid and gets rich through the surplus of your labor. If your boss stops working, value is still created. If you stop working, everything grinds to a halt.

You are being taken advantage of.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#19
One of the most difficult challenges for me during my career is establishing boundaries to curb when I am being exploited. I am passionate about writing awesome, powerful software, so I am willing to put in long hours and grind because I genuinely love it. However, it's important to step back now and again and look at your value more objectively from your employer's standpoint, and negotiate compensation, hours, etc from that perspective. Otherwise you will burn out. You'll always be "exploited" to some degree, since it's the nature of a business making money, but it doesn't have to be as bad as it can be.

Re: People see it as more acceptable to make passionate employees do extra: study

#20
post #9

Outside of tech, there are certainly industries that thrive on low-paid junior workers and get away with it because there are so many desperate for a "foot in the door" that they don't have to pay more e.g. entertainment, most D.C. gov jobs.

Even inside of tech, I think one can safely say that there are certain areas that do the same. Game development for instance.
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