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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by dafsdfasdfsa »

antocv wrote: post #399
Thorrez wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The best place to siphon data in 2019? Your phone. But can't you reverse engineer your phone and see what it's doing? And can't you monitor the network data it's sending? With a backdoor in long haul transport gear, academics, researchers, random hackers, watchdog groups, journalists, competitors, etc, don't have the ability to monitor for bad behavior.

AFAIK nobody has reverse-engineered even parts of the radio-firmware, the separate OS which has memory access to your other OS. Linux/Android/Iphones OS, is really just a guest, a side-show to what the radio-firmware can and is doing, ie spying.

This is not true anymore. Some android phones (samsung, google), have DMA disabled and modern iphones (around 2016?) use USB or SDIO without DMA.

I honestly believe that the theoretical DMA backdoor attack (and most other similar attacks) have been mitigated thoroughly. I am much more concerned about secretly held 0days (RCE) and most concerned about warrantless orders against cloud storage.

https://www.apple.com/business/site/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.... p41

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by edwinyzh »

andr wrote: post #141

I may have missed this, but have there been any specific accusations against Huawei? It is clear Chinese actors hack and steal IP, but have those been connected to Huawei, or are they just the easiest victim for the US to retaliate against?

FYI: Trump says U.S. "wants to be the leader' in 5G development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Gakw0dPvE

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by longnosf »

kyboren wrote: post #148

I assume Cadence, Synopsys, Mentor Graphics, Xilinx, Intel PSG, Microsemi, Lattice, and Qualcomm are also affected by the Huawei blacklist. Can Huawei survive without these critical components and EDA tools? If Huawei ignores the loss of licenses and uses existing software and libraries to develop future products, will those be banned from US and EU markets?

Why would there be a ban from EU? ARM is a UK company owned by a japanese group, Mentor Graphics is a subsidiary of a german group. The ban is an unilateral decision from the US. So Huawei can get on with these two without too much hurdles.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by ovi256 »

bpye wrote: post #273
techntoke wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will probably lose support from mobile carriers at that point.

Why would they care now? Their devices are essentially dead in the water in western markets.

Check out the double digit growth they have in the EU.

Google is fighting hard to keep their app store on Huawei devices, because they don't want 10Ms of users to force-adopt alternative app stores.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by seppin »

ghobs91 wrote: post #209

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

> I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other markets.

Why would they need it to be popular anywhere other than China?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by jrockway »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #355
windexh8er wrote: post #295

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Yes indeed [0]. [0] https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/10000/10008/fe...

So, the US having freedom really was just a meme after all.

TLS is still legal. So is routing all your traffic through Tor if you think the metadata is relevant.

I can't imagine much useful material comes from wiretapping these days. Maybe once in a while, but the real value largely exists in the application layer, which is obtained in a different way.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by cududa »

Tsubasachan wrote: post #356
ghobs91 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears they're only losing access to American hardware and software. So that would mean Android, Gorilla Glass screens, Qualcomm processors, etc.

This could actually be a boon for China. Now they have to start developing their phones completely in-house. On the longer term that could be the end for American tech. If one thing the last 50 years has taught us is that whatever the US can do an Asian competitor can do as well.

That’s entirety the point of their Made In China 2025 initiative

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by wsgeorge »

baybal2 wrote: post #287
Faark wrote: post #257

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Windows Phone was in a way worse situation. They had to solve an M to N problem, getting apps to attract users while also getting users to attract developers. They tried to leverage their PC install base, but that apparently failed. The Chinese market on the other hand will always have users, is huge and I presume most developers won't be willing to give up on it. If they do, someone else will serve their customers a…

Win mobile was a dominant mobile platform until Microsoft didn't nuke itself with non backward compatible, rewritten from scratch WinMo 7 Palm was a dominant mobile platform until Palm nuked itself with 5 years of clownade with Palm OS 6 Symbian was the biggest, most dominant mobile OS globally until Nokia didn't decide to simply trow it away. JM2E was the most largely adapted app platform, even into early Android ye…

For each example, weren't there viable alternatives lurking around to take advantage of the situation?

I'm not familiar with Palm OS, but Symbian and JM2E both has the iPhone and Android OSs as growing threats. Google hasn't officially stated that it is rebooting Android, and even if they did (and did it right), there isn't a major alternative lurking around the corner...

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by dx034 »

PixyMisa wrote: post #349
timkly wrote: post #321

As an Australian with a Hauwei phone, the writing is on the wall for me. Google Android in no longer a universal platform and moving forward, I doubt I'll ever buy anything again Google or US related again in terms of tech. This si no longer a China vs US issue, it's the US vs the world.

It's a China vs. the world issue. China has been spying on everyone, for years. Political, military, commercial, makes no difference.

For the EU it's really just the question if you want to be spied on by the US or by China. In recent years, trade with China has probably helped the economy much more than trade with the US. At the same time, China (while certainly acting out of self interest), is somewhat predictable in their actions.

Europeans are really critical of China and their policies (esp. their human rights record). But they don't like the US that much more (apart from the Brits) and with a struggling economy you really don't want to make them choose between money and ideology.

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