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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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It depends on what Trump does. He may start opening up other avenues for America to get the same trade we had with China. For example, we might get friendlier with Mexico or Vietnam. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48273550

It doesn't because this shows that things can change on a whim. No one is going to commit billions of dollars to anything in such a precarious environment.

So you think other nations will retaliate also?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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> Lineage isn't good enough on its own. It's good for me¹. I want a device that does no phone home to its mothership outside my control. This requires Googles Services not to be installed. I don't doubt that many nevertheless still use Googles Services. ¹ compared to Googles Android. I'm still desperately waiting for a device with mainline Linux support without blobs.

> without blobs Will never happen.

Look at the PocketCHIP and OrangePi boards. Allwinner's chips can run Xorg, Wayland, do gigabit ethernet, handle eMMC using mainline Linux all without any proprietary firmware or closed source software.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Huawei really needs to give everyone bootloader unlocks so that people can move to LineageOS in the meantime.

They will probably lose support from mobile carriers at that point.

Why would they care now? Their devices are essentially dead in the water in western markets.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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This isn't surprising. What the US government wants the government gets. I was working for a large ISP in 2010-2011 and we were considering long haul transport gear between Huawei and Infinera. All things being equal Huawei had a better cost/performance value prop. That was, until the FBI came in with a heavy handed opinion. You see at that point in time the best place to siphon data was at large ingress/egress. As I understand it there are two reasons the FBI wanted Infinera: 1) Infinera is a US based company and had to abide, like Cisco, to provide "LE" (law enforcement) capable firmware/software and 2) to keep a Chinese firm from generally gaining that position in a large ISP.

So while it's huge Google was told what to do, it's not surprising as this is business as usual. And back to an earlier point... The best place to siphon data in 2019? Your phone. Times have changed, data collection by governments hasn't.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

The difference between Huawei's situation and Microsoft's situation is that Microsoft's app store is not compatible with Android or IOS (obviously, different OS)

While if Huawei uses the Android open source base, the only thing they have to do is entice developers to submit another copy of their app to their store, which is a much lower barrier than the one MS faced to develop a whole new ecosystem

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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I can't see any Chinese phone company feeling comfortable with this move. If someone sets up a viable non-US alternative to Android and the Play Store, they could jump ship en masse.

Much more likely is a SaaS to manage distribution to various app stores from one interface.

Hmm, interesting. Does one already exist?

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #276

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

The difference between Huawei's situation and Microsoft's situation is that Microsoft's app store is not compatible with Android or IOS (obviously, different OS) While if Huawei uses the Android open source base, the only thing they have to do is entice developers to submit another copy of their app to their store, which is a much lower barrier than the one MS faced to develop a whole new ecosystem

While true, this is also the case for Amazon's app store, and their app selection is a fraction of the Play store to this day.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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This isn't surprising. What the US government wants the government gets. I was working for a large ISP in 2010-2011 and we were considering long haul transport gear between Huawei and Infinera. All things being equal Huawei had a better cost/performance value prop. That was, until the FBI came in with a heavy handed opinion. You see at that point in time the best place to siphon data was at large ingress/egress. As I…

By LE capable firmware you mean that the FBI had a backdoor to eavesdrop? Wow.

Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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post #276

To all those stating that Huawei should just make their own OS, it's nowhere near that simple. Forking Android is the easy part, building an app ecosystem that thousands of developers across the globe actively partake in is incredibly difficult. Microsoft couldn't even pull it off with Windows Phone. I predict their own Android fork and China-focused app store will do fine in China, but struggle big time in other mar…

The difference between Huawei's situation and Microsoft's situation is that Microsoft's app store is not compatible with Android or IOS (obviously, different OS) While if Huawei uses the Android open source base, the only thing they have to do is entice developers to submit another copy of their app to their store, which is a much lower barrier than the one MS faced to develop a whole new ecosystem

Not if that app depends on Google Play Services, which most developers targeting "Android" take for granted.
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