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Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Re: Google suspends some business with Huawei

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Post by sanxiyn »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #110
yding wrote: post #16

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The biggest threat to Google in my opinion would be the possibility that Huawei and China could try to "steal" Android from them. Imagine in 2021 the Chinese government mandates that every Chinese smartphone manufacturer needs to switch to ChAndroid for all of their product lines, with a single unified app store, whether they sell the phones inside or outside of China. Well, fully half of the top smartphone companies…

This is already the case, economically. Android is open source, these vendors are free to fork and do whatever. The lion's haul for Google is not 'app store sales' in China , it's search . Android is not about App Store, that's just a marginal thing - it's about owning and controlling search everywhere. It's a means to extend their primary product. Samsung can make it's own app store tomorrow, but they're not going t…

> Samsung can make its own app store tomorrow

What do you mean, tomorrow? Go to http://samsungapps.com/ and start to sell all your apps on Samsung Galaxy Store!

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Post by chii »

opportune wrote: post #252
graeme wrote: post #250

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The article refers to icloud encryption keys, not imessage keys. If imessages are backed up to icloud, then the govt will have keys to see them. But if a user doesn't back up, I was under the impression not even apple could decrypt iMessages.

Correct, for data that isn't backed up, you would need to have root access to the user's device.

i do believe rubber-hose decryption works wonders in china.

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Post by cromwellian »

Despegar wrote: post #199
shshhdhs wrote: post #198

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More likely because Apple gave China the master encryption keys: https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/25/apple-moves-icloud-encrypt...

iMessage is end-to-end encrypted.

If you really believe that China doesn't have a deal with Apple that nerfs this in China, I have a bridge to sell you.

China, a country which mandates spyware be installed on phones. Which uses deep packet inspection to block access to foreign websites, that bans VPNs in app stores. China, a country which forces the population of Xinjiang to install Jingwang (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingwang_Weishi), a spyware app so they can grab your on-device files. Which has deployed facial recognition cameras in many cities. Which blocked access to Wikipedi because it switched to HTTPS.

That China, you think, is going to allow all of that to be circumvented just by buying an iPhone? Right. Chinese Government: "You're not allowed to use VPNs. But if you're in Xinjiang, and you need privacy, we recommend buying an iPhone, since it doesn't work with Jingwang, nor deep packet inspection. Just tell the police you have an iPhone, and we'll wave the usual regulations we impose on Android devices."

Last time I was in Xinjiang, people there had iPhones. No one believes iMessage would be snoop proof.

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Post by [deleted] »

foldingmoney wrote: post #236
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #165

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Cost is not the reason all consumer electronics are made in China. Actually, manufacturing there is now more expensive than Estern Europe. They build them there because all the supply chain is already there. In Shenzhen, the capacitors, resistors, PCBs and most chips are sourced in bulk from around the block . That's something no other country in the West or even East has and it's such a complex interconnected ecosys…

The bigger issue is that the nature of smart phone releases is that each time you want to bring out a new model, you need to employ a few tens of thousands of people for a relatively short time to assemble them. This isn't possible in most countries due to labour laws and/or shortage of workers.

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Post by avocado4 »

cromwellian wrote: post #256
avocado4 wrote: post #150

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In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

Do you consider Samsung a premium Android manufacturer? I assume you're not defining "premium" == "Apple". If you admit that there are premium Android phones, and that Samsung is one of the manufacturers, well, Huawei is on track to surpass Samsung in units sold, AND it has the best reviewed camera. It blows away the iPhone X series, especially at low light, but also produces incredible night/low light protography be…

I agree they are a world leading manufacturer (#2 behind Samsung), and I agree that some of their devices are premium. I'm just saying they are not a leading premium manufacturer. Those are 2 different things. Apple and Samsung are by far ahead in volume sold for premium devices globally.

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Post by moneywoes »

ghobs91 wrote: post #240
mayama wrote: post #230

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Will Huawei still have access to TSMC, Samsung fabs etc? I think Hardware should be more of an issue for them than software. Chinese phones already use some alternative to play store iirc.

It appears they're only losing access to American hardware and software. So that would mean Android, Gorilla Glass screens, Qualcomm processors, etc.

Well they already have their own processors so I imagine that won't be a huge loss.

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Post by arebours »

avocado4 wrote: post #150
cromwellian wrote: post #114

In a way, this helps Apple (and other Android vendors) and in a way, it hurts it. Huawei phones recently have shipped market leading cameras that blow pretty much all other Android and iPhone cameras out of the water. They took a commanding lead as a premium device manufacturer. Hurting their non-China markets gives breathing space to others. However, if I were Apple, I'd be really worried about retaliation. Apple is…

In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018

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Post by avocado4 »

arebours wrote: post #267
avocado4 wrote: post #150

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In what world is Huawei a leading premium device manufacturer? Do you have a source?

https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS44188018

This doesn't show they are a leading premium smartphone manufacturer. This says they are a 2nd largest smartphone manufacturer.

Leading premium manufacturer means largest volume of premium smartphones sold. Huawei doesn't sell a lot of P30 (although I agree it's a premium device).

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Post by panabee »

foldingmoney wrote: post #236
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost is not the reason all consumer electronics are made in China. Actually, manufacturing there is now more expensive than Estern Europe. They build them there because all the supply chain is already there. In Shenzhen, the capacitors, resistors, PCBs and most chips are sourced in bulk from around the block . That's something no other country in the West or even East has and it's such a complex interconnected ecosys…

The bigger issue is that the nature of smart phone releases is that each time you want to bring out a new model, you need to employ a few tens of thousands of people for a relatively short time to assemble them. This isn't possible in most countries due to labour laws and/or shortage of workers.

tesla is starting to automate car manufacturing and seems to be making progress. can you comment on the feasibility on automating smartphone manufacturing? do elements of smartphone manufacturing render automation intractable, or harder than car manufacturing?

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Post by sanxiyn »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #186
maimeowmeow wrote: post #155

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Do they even respect licenses to being with?

I doubt shipping phones with easily identifiable pirated Qualcomm IP to western countries is going to work well.

As I understand, Huawei doesn't use Qualcomm IP anyway. They have their own LTE modem.
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