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Post by DougN7 »

GordonS wrote: post #202
ErikAugust wrote: post #199

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Google borders on insane with lacking any sort of manual support. For example, when you are a paid G Suite customer - you'll need to dig hard to find their support number. Then you'll need to click several buttons making it clear you still need support. You also need to then generate a PIN used to access the phone support.

Similar story with Adwords - if you want support with that, you ain't gonna get it. It's a maze of FAQs and automated email responses with useless information. If you manage to figure out the incantation to email an actual person, they're some kind of 1st-level support whose purpose in life is to piss you off so much with useless pre-canned responses that you finally give up. Truely, incredible that they get away wit…

Google is OK with it because they do it to small spenders. They have human account managers and a very visible phone number if you spend enough. Not saying I agree with it, but it makes sense.

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Post by 6nf »

Animats wrote: post #194
bo1024 wrote: post #191

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By my understanding, you are mistaken or out of date. What you wrote is true for takedown notices issued under the DMCA, but YouTube is allowing companies to order takedowns or monetize other's videos without going through the legal DMCA process. That's what ContentID is about.

YouTube seems to claim that the DMCA counter-notice procedure applies.[1] [1] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684

It's a two step process. The first step happens within YouTube's guidelines and do not involve the DMCA. It then can escalate to an actual DMCA notice / counter.

Critically though, going to DMCA is really bad for the uploader because Youtube does not remove the 'strike' against your account when it gets escalated. So content uploaders almost never go here.

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Post by snthd »

wswkb wrote: post #15
RubberbandSoul wrote: post #8

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I think you answered your own question. YouTube is running the risk of turning into a sterile, corporate mall. Soon enough an edgier, more tolerant alternative will pop up and start attracting eyeballs.

Recoding and hosting and transmitting video is so expensive that I can assure you no alternative will ever pop up.

Hosting: I'm fairly sure many streaming solutions (HLS, MPEG-DASH?) work by having the client request chunks of content pre-rendered at specific bit rates. Ergo the actual chunks are static content.

IPFS does static content and Cloudflare does a free IPFS gateway.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/

https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/blob/master/examples/browser...

Recoding seems like a candidate for distributed computing, and a way for fans to support creators.

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Post by jml7c5 »

Animats wrote: post #194
bo1024 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By my understanding, you are mistaken or out of date. What you wrote is true for takedown notices issued under the DMCA, but YouTube is allowing companies to order takedowns or monetize other's videos without going through the legal DMCA process. That's what ContentID is about.

YouTube seems to claim that the DMCA counter-notice procedure applies.[1] [1] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2807684

That link is for actual DMCA notices. With the Content ID take-downs, Google never actually receives a DMCA request. The music company (etc.) politely asks YouTube to take down the video, and YouTube complies out of the goodness of its heart. (Well, and a bunch of contracts that give some sort of quid pro quo for the arrangement between YouTube and these companies.)

It looks like these are all Content ID takedowns (well, actually not takedowns; whoever is making the requests is taking the ad revenue from the videos, but leaving them up). In these cases, YouTube has their own dispute system, but it doesn't touch the DMCA.

I think this is the relevant page: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6013276?hl=en&ref_...

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Post by Barrin92 »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #190
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #14

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YT is running the risk of its content creators organising themselves into an industry association with legal and financial teeth, and suing its profits into oblivion.

On what grounds? I disagree with Youtube’s actions here, but no one is forcing them to publish on YT.

The competition to youtube is virtually nonexistent. If you're a medium or small content creator (which most youtube creators are), then instead of deciding to go to vimeo you might as well just file for unemployment benefits.

And the network effects of youtube will ensure that this continues to be the case. Content creators aren't organised, so a mass exodus won't happen.

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Post by dymk »

cameronbrown wrote: post #177
zaroth wrote: post #37

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I’d say the problem is less discovery as it is monetization. The total bandwidth for one of these creators’ videos is not itself all that massive. Particularly if you are not live streaming, a few thousand dollars in hosting costs a year to get 100TB/mo dedicated servers in a couple datacenters. But once you have the servers humming and serving a few million views a month, whose ads are you running alongside your con…

Patreon has proved people are willing to pay for content. We just need an easier way to do it.

Patron is fractions of a percent of the GDP of YouTube’s content creator payout, and patron works for only a fraction of creators. It’s not even a comparison.

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Post by Talanes »

mamon wrote: post #193
ratsmack wrote: post #53

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Bringing a lawsuit is not an option for the vast majority of people, but it seems this is the first option many people suggest. Situations like this are more of a problem with our laws that largely protect the interests of large corporations over individuals and really need to be changed.

>> Bringing a lawsuit is not an option for the vast majority of people. Doesn't that mean that the whole justice system in US is broken? Courts of law exist for this very purpose, so that every citizen can fight for their rights, including defending themselves against this type of extortion. If the cost of lawsuit is prohibitive then you might as well live in some third world dictatorship, with no justice system at a…

It's not quite that drastic; we do have organizations like the ACLU and EFF that bring lawsuits for the public good. Though relying on foundations to fight for the same idea of "public good" as you do is a shaky footing to base a society around.

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Post by 0xADEADBEE »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #14
RubberbandSoul wrote: post #8

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I think you answered your own question. YouTube is running the risk of turning into a sterile, corporate mall. Soon enough an edgier, more tolerant alternative will pop up and start attracting eyeballs.

YT is running the risk of its content creators organising themselves into an industry association with legal and financial teeth, and suing its profits into oblivion.

It was my understanding that YouTube isn't profitable; has there been any new data on this that I've missed? Lack of similar-sized competitors in the space would certainly indicate that the margins don't really stack up and you could make an argument that the aggressive foisting of their premium offering underscores that notion, but I don't know for sure. It'd be interesting to know more about operating a site of that nature at that scale but I don't suppose that sort of data will make it out any time soon!

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

nate_meurer wrote: post #195
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #189

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No, I don't time it - and I also prefer it good and strong. I suppose it roughly works out at 5 mins in a pot with loose leaf, and I'd guess around 3 mins with a teabag. Shorter as tea bag tea is so much nearer dust. Just not so long as to let it get stewed. Green tea and some of the lighter black teas - like Darjeeling - definitely prefer a bit less time. Lapsang souchong seems to magically avoid stewing no matter h…

Good to know. "Stewing" does sort of describe the way I make tea sometimes. Where do you like to buy? I used to get great stuff like single-estate Darjeelings and Assams from a mail-order company that was later sold to (and destroyed by) Teavana. I mostly use Davidson's Organics now, but the selection is smaller.

Ooh, I avoid that change of flavour when it gets the stewed bitter edge and after taste. Wouldn't surprise me if that's British English separating us by common language though. :)

Can't help you too much on where - I'm in the UK, even most supermarkets take tea slightly seriously. Then we're spoiled rotten with a great tea shop nearby with loads of loose coffees and teas, including their own blends. https://www.johnwatt.co.uk

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