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Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

tzs wrote: post #39
throwaway55554 wrote: post #22

How is this not a form of pirating? Pirating is the reason we have the stupid DMCA to begin with and now we have this happening!

The problem here has nothing to do with the DMCA. The problem is that Google has implemented its own system that has little to do with the DMCA. If it were handled the DMCA way, here is how it would go. 1. Someone complains to the hosting service alleging that you are violating their copyright. 2. The hosting provider takes down the material and notifies you. If you do not want to dispute this, that is the end of it.…

This is how it's working with hosting providers. Digitalocean didn't take my server down but said they need my reply for the accuser ASAP. I basically wrote this is fair use and I'm ready to go to court in the USA in some specific state/district (found a boilerplate of that letter from some law forum/site). Digitalocean said thank you and I never got a reply. They said I don't need to do anything else when it comes to them, they are satisfied. I knew the troll who didn't even live in the states, so I was confident.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by amenod »

binarymax wrote: post #96
sieabahlpark wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a creator can't afford to publish content without a company striking their account then why would any creator stay? It's in their interest to make sure the platform is even viable to publish content.

Creators go where the consumers are. You can move to a different platform or start your own but you won’t get any viewers. It’s the equivalent of not liking the taxes in a city retail space, and moving your store out to the desert in protest.

If creators were smart they would always publish on two (or more) platforms - Youtube and Vimeo for example. It doesn't cost them much in terms of time and effort, it gives their viewers a choice (given the choice, I would rather watch alternative), and if enough creators do that, it keeps Youtube on their toes. Which means that they might care a bit more about the creators.

On a related note, Google should clean up their customer support. Everywhere.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by fenwick67 »

aitchnyu wrote: post #115
fenwick67 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitch is poised to threaten YouTube. They have Amazon behind them financially, and their live streaming is beating YouTube's.

Is Twitch becoming a general purpose video site? At a glance, it seems all screengrabs and tabletop cameras of games.

Right now you are right. Twitch only lets you stream live content and keep recordings of it.

But they certainly compete with YouTube for eyeballs, and I can't imagine they're not working on a regular video ecosystem.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by TheBobinator »

aphextron wrote: post #58

You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disreg…

There is a way to handle this, but you aren't going to like it.

Since there is absolutely no penalty for filing copyright claims, you just get together with other large youtube channels and begin filing claims against Disney, CBS, NBC, Fox, and so forth, all the large media companies that have youtube over a barrel, as well as their advertisers.

You simply decide not to play nice whatsoever. And you keep on doing it, as a growing group, repeatedly, until youtube is forced to take action. You do it to any large corporation that wants to post on youtube. And if they take the wrong action, which they will, you bring out RICO statutes and begin filing so many subpeona's they can't financially afford to work with it. You don't stop at youtube either, you get in groups and sue them for stuff they put on cable TV as well. Find yourself jr lawyers.

If Google wants binding arbitration contracts in place and then wants to sexually harass their staff, the appropriate turn-about play is for the staff to get together and plan on sexually harassing the executive management. And I'm not talking in ways they would like; I'm talking hundreds of people telling the execs and upper managers they want to do scat-play, or buying and mailing them used japanese underwear and mini goats with plushines, and so forth. And they get as viscious as possible about this, up to the point of following them around with handcuffs and leather straps in groups.

Because if we're going to be lawsless, it's time to act like total animals. And realistically, there's only one way to teach that lesson.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by saagarjha »

peterwwillis wrote: post #103

I know this is a negative comment, but this whole thing smacks of a weird form of entitlement. Here's this dude making money by putting videos on the internet, and when his videos go away, he's outraged. But if you look at it another way, his living is based on a platform which provides him no guarantee of service, no support, and is also free of charge. His whole job is to generate attention for a platform that mine…

> these creators could shift to a competitor that will provide an equitable relationship between platform, creator, and consumer

Such as?

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by tomp »

TheBobinator wrote: post #124
aphextron wrote: post #58

You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disreg…

There is a way to handle this, but you aren't going to like it. Since there is absolutely no penalty for filing copyright claims, you just get together with other large youtube channels and begin filing claims against Disney, CBS, NBC, Fox, and so forth, all the large media companies that have youtube over a barrel, as well as their advertisers. You simply decide not to play nice whatsoever. And you keep on doing it,…

I think this is a terrible plan / course of action... but it might just work!

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by kevingadd »

TheBobinator wrote: post #124
aphextron wrote: post #58

You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disreg…

There is a way to handle this, but you aren't going to like it. Since there is absolutely no penalty for filing copyright claims, you just get together with other large youtube channels and begin filing claims against Disney, CBS, NBC, Fox, and so forth, all the large media companies that have youtube over a barrel, as well as their advertisers. You simply decide not to play nice whatsoever. And you keep on doing it,…

You think you actually have power over Disney? YouTube will just kick you off.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by kg »

panpanna wrote: post #3

The only way to fix this is to let you sue for damages + lawyer fees. As it is right now, you can earn lots of money by DMCA:ing popular creators, monetize on their content for a while (or a long time if they don't have a friend at Google who can escalate the issue).

You can't do this on YouTube because YT satisfied the big copyright manipulators by adding their own system in front of the DMCA. As a result these claims don't go through the DMCA process and the legal penalties (toothless to begin with) built into the DMCA aren't available to you. Content ID killing your content or claiming it because someone misused Content ID isn't a legal matter so you are powerless. This is how it is intended to be: It's what Viacom/Disney/etc wanted and Google gave it to them.

AFAIK DMCA notices only produce a takedown, not monetization. If you want to monetize you go through Content ID, which is not the DMCA.

A false DMCA also exposes you to real legal threat, and a big player with money for a lawyer will dismantle you.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by sam0x17 »

I really don't understand why the process has been designed to assume the copyright claimant is in the right from the get-go when it's the claimants that abuse the system. If I was Google I'd have my lawyers aggressively pursue the legal feasibility of banning companies from submitting complaints if they abuse the complaint system (if not then ban the channels of companies who have their lawyers abuse the system) and I'd have my developers build fair-use detection into content-id -- if the clip is less than 30 seconds or 10% of the work (or whatever threshold makes sense legally), then it's fair use, period, can't submit a claim on that.

It's really about time these companies felt some chilling effects.

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