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Post by benologist »

Zephyreks wrote: post #84
aphextron wrote: post #58

You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disreg…

What's the alternative? YouTube footing the bill for copyright lawsuits?

They do have over $100 billion in savings, so maybe that number should actually be $90 billion and that other ~10% dedicated to the boring stuff like supporting their users. It's no accident that Amazon, Comcast, AT&T etc can support 100m+ people by phone... and pure accounting chicanery that Google does not.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by falcolas »

Zephyreks wrote: post #84
aphextron wrote: post #58

You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disreg…

What's the alternative? YouTube footing the bill for copyright lawsuits?

A three (or ten, or even 300) strike plan, where they lose the right to make copyright claims in a "guilty until proven innocent" fashion - the company must provide sufficient evidence to YouTube that the content is infringing.

They would still have the DMCA process, but they lose rights to use the copyright strike process until they prove their competence.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by bostik »

hedora wrote: post #32
ghayes wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you’re looking for is called punitive damages, and already exists in the legal system (this is why McDonalds paid millions of dollars for a hot coffee). The goal is to actually open lawsuits including punitive damages for fraudulent or negligent DMCA requests.

True, but the punitive damages are set as a multiple of the damage done. I want them to be as a percentage of the revenue / valuation of the party at fault. The current system is why PG&E has literally blown up neighborhoods and burnt down a city, but the investors only got a slap on the wrist. In a system where punitive damages are a percentage of the valuation of the corporate entity that committed the crime, repea…

If you want punitive action, balance and justice in one package, aim high: eye for an eye.

For each case of copyfraud, have the defrauder lose copyright for one item in their catalogue and placed into public domain. The item? Victim's choice.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by lostmyoldone »

peterwwillis wrote: post #103

I know this is a negative comment, but this whole thing smacks of a weird form of entitlement. Here's this dude making money by putting videos on the internet, and when his videos go away, he's outraged. But if you look at it another way, his living is based on a platform which provides him no guarantee of service, no support, and is also free of charge. His whole job is to generate attention for a platform that mine…

It's not entitlement to complain about copyright procedure abuse when you use a platform of a multi billion dollar company for its publicly communicated, and intended purpose.

If we assume the creator is using a licensed original work, then I would rather claim that if entitlement is expressed by anyone, it is expressed by the entity that sent, or are otherwise responsible for the 1000+ copyright claims. All claims toward a single channel, and apparently without verifying the validity of even one such claim.

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Post by aitchnyu »

fenwick67 wrote: post #42
iforgotpassword wrote: post #9

I only use YouTube occasionally but if I do, it's mostly for geek stuff by exactly these kinds of individuals. Are there any signs that another platform will take YouTube's place in that regard during the next couple years? I mean sites like Vimeo and daily motion have been around since forever but never managed to weaken the critical mass that YouTube had due to it's head start. Then there's the occasional startup t…

Twitch is poised to threaten YouTube. They have Amazon behind them financially, and their live streaming is beating YouTube's.

Is Twitch becoming a general purpose video site? At a glance, it seems all screengrabs and tabletop cameras of games.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by [deleted] »

guntars wrote: post #93
ratsmack wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bringing a lawsuit is not an option for the vast majority of people, but it seems this is the first option many people suggest. Situations like this are more of a problem with our laws that largely protect the interests of large corporations over individuals and really need to be changed.

Then maybe someone needs to sell DMCA insurance to small creators that could never afford to retain a lawyer individually. The majority of the invalid claims would get reversed the second a suit is filed and they wouldn’t go further than that.

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Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by iforgotpassword »

fenwick67 wrote: post #42
iforgotpassword wrote: post #9

I only use YouTube occasionally but if I do, it's mostly for geek stuff by exactly these kinds of individuals. Are there any signs that another platform will take YouTube's place in that regard during the next couple years? I mean sites like Vimeo and daily motion have been around since forever but never managed to weaken the critical mass that YouTube had due to it's head start. Then there's the occasional startup t…

Twitch is poised to threaten YouTube. They have Amazon behind them financially, and their live streaming is beating YouTube's.

Interesting, in my book twitch was still streaming only. Given the backing by Amazon you might be right.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by [deleted] »

brightball wrote: post #56
ghayes wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you’re looking for is called punitive damages, and already exists in the legal system (this is why McDonalds paid millions of dollars for a hot coffee). The goal is to actually open lawsuits including punitive damages for fraudulent or negligent DMCA requests.

FWIW there’s a lot more to that hot coffee lawsuit that people tend to generalize. It’s worth reading up on it.

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Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by cordite »

singron wrote: post #95
Zephyreks wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the alternative? YouTube footing the bill for copyright lawsuits?

How about this: your copyright claim accuracy becomes a multiplier for monetization payouts. E.g. if 100% of claims are correct, you keep all monetization. If 10% of claims are correct, you only get 10% of monetization. Also, if Google can show that the copyright claims are incorrect, then they get to keep the difference. Now copyright holders are incentivized to make accurate claims and Google is incentivized to fin…

Is it fair for Google to take the pay instead of the content creator just because they were hit with a false copyright claim?
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