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South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#191

What I really don't understand is why commercial stations (like burger king's, ice cream stands etc...) uses windows when all those computers do is show either videos or static images

My guess would be that it's easier to get tech support for windows than linux.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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What I really don't understand is why commercial stations (like burger king's, ice cream stands etc...) uses windows when all those computers do is show either videos or static images

Might not answer you exact question, but I interned with the display team in Windows - they had loads of weird asks for interesting display topologies (and adapter modes) to be supported for media displays. I'm pretty sure I've never seen anything like that on LKML.

That is something that puts Linux off. Linux doesn't handle esoteric topologies very well without some complex xrandr instructions

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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Then why did Microsoft just recently patch it and make it better? (WSL)

Have you used the new unreleased version yet?

Does it matter? Your premise is "they are shipping this bad thing on purpose" - what would be the point of making it better and spending more money on it if you were making it bad on purpose?

Apply Hanlon's Razor, and dont assume everyone has a grand plan.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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I’ve switched to libreoffice from excel and find it totally viable as an excel replacement except for lack of vba support, but it has its own scripting language so even that isn’t a deal breaker. It’s just so much faster and less bloated than today’s excel.

For most users, "replacement" mean it can open and edit Microsoft's documents perfectly. For some users, it even means the GUI is just about the same so they don't feel lost. By that criteria (which are real criteria from real people), the only viable replacement for Microsoft Office, is the next version of Microsoft Office. The only way to break out of this, I think, is for governments to forbid themselves to use pr…

> By that criteria (which are real criteria from real people), the only viable replacement for Microsoft Office, is the next version of Microsoft Office.

By that criteria, the only viable replacement for Microsoft Office is the _same_ version of Microsoft Office.

The delta between two Microsoft Office versions has often been larger than between a Microsoft Office version and a LibreOffice version...

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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I've never understood the clamour for rolling a new distro. Maintaining an apt/yum repository and creating a meta-package or package group should be more than enough.

The fact that you think of Linux distros as apt/yum tells a lot about the bias in our statements.

They are the most common package managers, right? Could just as easily have listed some more niche ones, I'm an Arch user after all, but it wouldn't have illustrated my point any better.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#196
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> WSL sucked so much that I imagine WSL 2 won't be much better Why does it suck? Is it an issue of compatibility or performance? At least WSL2 will fix the former.

Again, you are talking about something that isn't even released yet. It sucks because the Linux distros available for it are now outdated, it utilizes a specific outdated kernel, it is extremely slow.. the file system is about 20x slower doing most file-system related tasks. Copy/paste doesn't work well without XLaunch (and then stills sucks). There was never a good terminal for it, and the new one doesn't address if…

> the Linux distros available for it are now outdated

That's what apt-get is for.

> it utilizes a specific outdated kernel

Lots of distros do that.

> it is extremely slow.. the file system is about 20x slower doing most file-system related tasks

That's a windows problem, not a WSL problem.

> There was never a good terminal for it

Don't you have the choice of almost all existing windows and linux terminals? How can none of those be good?

And normal windows installers have nothing to do with it.

The lack of docker support is important, but let's not ignore that they're in the middle of fixing it.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#197

What does 'Linux OS' mean? Various Linux desktop distros? If so, have mercy on anyone who will be using Ubuntu Desktop for the first time. I hope they aren't afraid of using Terminal, because the internet will shout them down for wanting a GUI solution. Love Ubuntu server, but could never get into linux desktop.

The elitism can be absurd. Sometimes I wonder if it's stockholm syndrome. "You want to configure things with a GUI with discoverability? Not read a dissertation-length man page and edit config files whose syntax changes between versions so you can't even rely on google results? Go back to winbl0ws"

Personally, I find config files to be simple and elegant, and gui based configuration to be clunky and cumbersome. For most things anyway.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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I lived in Korea between 2010 and 2015 and I never needed the Korean version of Windows. Even my work computer was running the en-US version. Your just need to switch the default locale and codepage for the occasional poorly written software (mostly old installers), it just takes a reboot.

MS had completely separate custom builds of Windows (made out of completely different binaries) until XP at least. E.g. an English Windows and a German Windows would install completely different files and the only way tonswitch system language was a reinstall. Conponents to support CJK were not part of these installs, either. This changed with Vista or 7 (don't remember) where they were able to seperate Windows into…

Vista had language packs, but they were exclusive to Ultimate.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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I’ve switched to libreoffice from excel and find it totally viable as an excel replacement except for lack of vba support, but it has its own scripting language so even that isn’t a deal breaker. It’s just so much faster and less bloated than today’s excel.

For most users, "replacement" mean it can open and edit Microsoft's documents perfectly. For some users, it even means the GUI is just about the same so they don't feel lost. By that criteria (which are real criteria from real people), the only viable replacement for Microsoft Office, is the next version of Microsoft Office. The only way to break out of this, I think, is for governments to forbid themselves to use pr…

> For most users, "replacement" mean it can open and edit Microsoft's documents perfectly. For some users, it even means the GUI is just about the same so they don't feel lost.

Citation needed.

The company I work for switched wholesale away from Microsoft. Management moved first and the rest of us shortly afterwards. Haven't heard any complaints.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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The French police uses a custom distro based on Ubuntu 16.04: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu

Why are they using a custom distro? Is it just different graphics or do they have changes significant enough that a customised Ubuntu installer wouldn't suffice?

When you run Windows you can use GPO to override loads and loads of behaviours, and WSUS to customise which updates get picked up by the computers.

When you run Linux you do it by creating custom packages and changing the package manager to point to a different server, at which point you have created a "custom distro".

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