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Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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post #38

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Easy; run Windows XP, IE, ActiveX in a virtual machine. Use Linux as your main OS.

Windows 7 with IE11 currently seems to be the sweet spot. Even in Korea, using XP has been frowned upon for a few years now :)

Yup, and the free Win7+IE11 VM from Microsoft doesn't really expire (you can rearm the license indefinitely).

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#112

Cue a concerted effort by MS salespeople to make them an offer they can't refuse. See also: Munich.

That's not why Munich moved back to Windows. They moved back because supporting Linux workstations for their workforce was hard and expensive. It wasn't very popular with the end-users either.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#113

What does 'Linux OS' mean? Various Linux desktop distros? If so, have mercy on anyone who will be using Ubuntu Desktop for the first time. I hope they aren't afraid of using Terminal, because the internet will shout them down for wanting a GUI solution. Love Ubuntu server, but could never get into linux desktop.

I've just given up on Linux again. Again. And it's the GUI that makes that decision final. There were also (and I'm still fighting 'em) serious file issues (perhaps related to file name lengths, perhaps not), but these may well have arisen from Windows/Linux interactions or even Windows not getting along with Windows. But flickering and otherwise unusable or unstable GUI features in the distributions finally did me i…

What specific issues did you have with the GUI? Not sure if you know but there are a number of other polished DEs apart from Gnome.

Sounds like your graphics card doesn't work well with Linux. Is it Nvidia ?

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#114

What does 'Linux OS' mean? Various Linux desktop distros? If so, have mercy on anyone who will be using Ubuntu Desktop for the first time. I hope they aren't afraid of using Terminal, because the internet will shout them down for wanting a GUI solution. Love Ubuntu server, but could never get into linux desktop.

I've just given up on Linux again. Again. And it's the GUI that makes that decision final. There were also (and I'm still fighting 'em) serious file issues (perhaps related to file name lengths, perhaps not), but these may well have arisen from Windows/Linux interactions or even Windows not getting along with Windows. But flickering and otherwise unusable or unstable GUI features in the distributions finally did me i…

> And it's the GUI that makes that decision final.

Which one? There's a crapton.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#115
post #103

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WSL2 isn't out yet, and WSL sucked so much that I imagine WSL 2 won't be much better.

> WSL sucked so much that I imagine WSL 2 won't be much better Why does it suck? Is it an issue of compatibility or performance? At least WSL2 will fix the former.

Again, you are talking about something that isn't even released yet.

It sucks because the Linux distros available for it are now outdated, it utilizes a specific outdated kernel, it is extremely slow.. the file system is about 20x slower doing most file-system related tasks. Copy/paste doesn't work well without XLaunch (and then stills sucks). There was never a good terminal for it, and the new one doesn't address if it will provide mouse support for things like Vim, it didn't support Docker.

There are many more nuances, but that is just a few. Let's not forget though that Windows package management is the worst out of all the operating systems, so even if you have WSL, you are still going to be suck maintaining a crappy OS using terrible bloated installers that leave files everywhere and a crappy package manager like Chocolatey that is falling further behind repos like AUR and Arch.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

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Agreed, yet their goal is to build their own crappy version so that people think Linux sucks, when in reality it is still MS. I blame their culture though. No one who appreciates quality open source wants to work there.

> Agreed, yet their goal is to build their own crappy version so that people think Linux sucks, when in reality it is still MS. Can't do it, Google owns that business model. I mean, they managed to do that twice ? Must have taken them some serious effort!

Not really, Microsoft has a lot of enterprise customers and when their first user experience to Linux is WSL they are immediately turned off and unable to even take it seriously. I can at least take Android and ChromeOS serious enough to see it being viable for most desktop users and small businesses. Android, along with G Suite, is great for mobile enterprise management.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#118

Cue a concerted effort by MS salespeople to make them an offer they can't refuse. See also: Munich.

That's not why Munich moved back to Windows. They moved back because supporting Linux workstations for their workforce was hard and expensive. It wasn't very popular with the end-users either.

Not true. Microsoft built a huge local branch there and as a result they've moved back into the dark abyss that is proprietary, non-free software.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#119

What does 'Linux OS' mean? Various Linux desktop distros? If so, have mercy on anyone who will be using Ubuntu Desktop for the first time. I hope they aren't afraid of using Terminal, because the internet will shout them down for wanting a GUI solution. Love Ubuntu server, but could never get into linux desktop.

> Love Ubuntu server, but could never get into linux desktop.

It seems fine to me. I'm running it on my laptop right now, and I don't find it significantly more annoying than Windows or MacOS, both of which I've recently used on work machines.

I'm sure there are plenty of people for whom that's not true, especially people who need niche commercial software. But a great deal of what people use is on the web these days anyhow, so I think it matters a lot less what OS Chrome is running on top of.

Re: South Korean government to switch to Linux: ministry

#120
post #71

I doubt this will work out. They also tried that in many countries, they all go back to using Windows. I hate Windows, but I can envision how much money AND time it's gonna cost them to move out, and I'm sure that they will either run out of money before they do the transition, or machines would have already dominated the earth before they are done with this "transition"l I would believe it much more if they said tha…

Munich did it this way: 100% Linux, no compromises - they didn't even had an central Active Directory so if you required Windows due to software in your part of city government you were on your own - no central updates! They also forced everyone on an ancient OpenOffice 3.x version with KDE 4.x and KMail? That Munich migrated back has less todo with Linux or Windows or Microsoft politics (maybe..) but more with badly…

That's the missing piece with these large scale deployments: is there an infrastructure to provide support, training and maintenance of the deployment. It's one thing to push for moving from Windows to Linux, it's another to actually figure out the thousands of details that go along with it.

What Munich did was essentially created a homegrown solution which suffers from all the problems of homegrown solutions. Yes, you get to tailor it to your business, but then you have to maintain it for decades. Inevitably industry passes you by, and you end up paying for a sub-standard proprietary (ironically) solution that has no widespread support and you're own your own for everything - from new features, to security updates, to training, to compatibility and interoperability. It's always great at the beginning, and it's always miserable 10 years later when the excitement goes away and the original champions have moved on.

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