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More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by ebg13 »

writepub wrote: post #10
ebg13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't believe this is evidence of bigotry. If a similar survey were to be taken in say Saudi Arabia, asking if American Numerals need to be taught in madrasass, it'd likely have a similar response. What do you think bigotry is if not being opposed to something for reasons other than its own merit? The unbigoted answer if you don't know what Arabic Numerals means is the third option, "I don't know/No opinion".

> What do you think bigotry is if not being opposed to something for reasons other than its own merit? Opposition to things for lack of awareness in itself isn't bigotry. Opposition because of hate of something you somewhat understand/misunderstand is bigotry. I'd vote NO to "Should we learn Martian Numerals", because I do not know what martian numerals are, not because I hate martians

> I'd vote NO to "Should we learn Martian Numerals", because I do not know what martian numerals are

Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand. The unbigoted answer would be "I don't know/No opinion".

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by ebg13 »

Kuraj wrote: post #3

Interestingly, another question mentioned in the article - "Should schools in America teach the creation theory of Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre as part of their science curriculum?" - yielded similar results :-)

I think you could plausibly still call it bigotry even if the thing you thought you were voting on deserves to be voted on that way if it turns out that you were actually supposed to be voting on something else and you ended up voting the wrong way because of a kneejerk reaction to the wording.

With that said, this example is substantively different because "creation theory" is a term that has a very different meaning in common parlance than the one intended here. "Arabic numerals" has no confounding information other than the mere fact that they're being called Arabic.

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by writepub »

ebg13 wrote: post #11
writepub wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do you think bigotry is if not being opposed to something for reasons other than its own merit? Opposition to things for lack of awareness in itself isn't bigotry. Opposition because of hate of something you somewhat understand/misunderstand is bigotry. I'd vote NO to "Should we learn Martian Numerals", because I do not know what martian numerals are, not because I hate martians

> I'd vote NO to "Should we learn Martian Numerals", because I do not know what martian numerals are Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand. The unbigoted answer would be "I don't know/No opinion".

> Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand

It's a stretch to call it "hate". I mean, as long as we're playing with words, maybe you can classify "No opinion" as masked hate". A No vote IS NOT BIGOTRY. I like Chocolate ice cream more than Vanilla, and would vote NO on a school survey asking what flavor to serve in the cafeteria. I'm not bigoted against Vanilla

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by ebg13 »

writepub wrote: post #14
ebg13 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd vote NO to "Should we learn Martian Numerals", because I do not know what martian numerals are Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand. The unbigoted answer would be "I don't know/No opinion".

> Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand It's a stretch to call it "hate". I mean, as long as we're playing with words, maybe you can classify "No opinion" as masked hate". A No vote IS NOT BIGOTRY. I like Chocolate ice cream more than Vanilla, and would vote NO on a school survey asking what flavor to serve in the cafeteria. I'm not bigoted against Va…

> I like Chocolate ice cream more than Vanilla

This is not analogous unless you actually think that schools should not teach numerals or if the only reason you like chocolate is because you don't know what vanilla is. Choosing between two things by preference is also not analogous to choosing yes or no for one thing.

> A No vote IS NOT BIGOTRY.

It is IF you vote no BECAUSE you don't understand. That's called xenophobia.

If you don't have a note from a psychiatrist excusing your behavior because of a medical condition, xenophobia is bigotry. Bigotry against vanilla and Martians, it turns out, is not considered to be a big deal (yet) so you're probably safe.

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by aaron695 »

Meh.

It's a question designed for false outrage.

Should Thai numbers be taught in school? No. You can. But I see no reason why they should.

Arabic numbers are written differently, so it's a confusing question.

Wow you've created division through confusion, and you feel smart at the same time. Congrats.

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by thecabinet »

ebg13 wrote: post #12
Kuraj wrote: post #3

Interestingly, another question mentioned in the article - "Should schools in America teach the creation theory of Catholic priest Georges Lemaitre as part of their science curriculum?" - yielded similar results :-)

I think you could plausibly still call it bigotry even if the thing you thought you were voting on deserves to be voted on that way if it turns out that you were actually supposed to be voting on something else and you ended up voting the wrong way because of a kneejerk reaction to the wording. With that said, this example is substantively different because "creation theory" is a term that has a very different meanin…

“They are uneducated, backwards, mouth-breathing bigots! My tribe was tricked by using words that we have a negative reaction to.” Oh wait.

Re: More than 50% of respondents said Arabic numerals should not be taught in school

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Post by writepub »

ebg13 wrote: post #17
writepub wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Voting no because you don't understand something is expressing hate for things that you don't understand It's a stretch to call it "hate". I mean, as long as we're playing with words, maybe you can classify "No opinion" as masked hate". A No vote IS NOT BIGOTRY. I like Chocolate ice cream more than Vanilla, and would vote NO on a school survey asking what flavor to serve in the cafeteria. I'm not bigoted against Va…

> I like Chocolate ice cream more than Vanilla This is not analogous unless you actually think that schools should not teach numerals or if the only reason you like chocolate is because you don't know what vanilla is. Choosing between two things by preference is also not analogous to choosing yes or no for one thing. > A No vote IS NOT BIGOTRY. It is IF you vote no BECAUSE you don't understand. That's called xenophob…

Here's a refresher of the definition:

"intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself"

None of the scenarios described in your tirade fits the definition.

And back to the original article, it's highly likely that the audience understood "Arabic" numerals to mean actual numerals in Arabic script. The only definitive way to deduce bigotry is from a follow up question that has amongst other choices, one for "because I dislike XYZ people". Everything else is speculation - if you don't believe me, submit this for publication in any peer reviewed academic journal.

"Never Attribute To Malice What You Can Attribute To Stupidity" - the respondants (likely) didn't know Arabic Numerals referred to what they already use, and the question is setup to exploit the general lack of knowledge on the matter, and spin a native on bigotry. Because, a story on bigotry is a LOT more click baitey than simple ignorance.

BTW - you seem intent on pushing a "bigotry" narrative, and FUD-ing in general. Are you the author? Or the person cited in the article tweeting an obvious non sequitur, claiming this unscientific, non-conclusive data to be evidence of bigotry?

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