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Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by quotz »

cup wrote: post #51
quotz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the problem is that unlike the EU and US companies, Huawei is just the institutional arm of a communist dictatorship regime masked as a company.

And CIA seeded companies aren't?

USA is not a communist country, big difference. With political administration changes, also do foreign policy opinions change, along with whatever CIA has to do with foreign sovereignties. One USA regime pardons Manning, another jails him/her. One USA regime bombs Syria, another doesnt. Also, CIA seeded companies are just a few and none of the big ones. Palantir and Oculus are their biggest, not sure Oculus can spy on foreign countries but ok.

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Post by krapp »

deertick1 wrote: post #52
bvdba wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe this is the consequence of Trump being racist.

I don't believe trump is racist.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that he is[0,1], going back to lawsuits over housing discrimination in the 1970s, to his comments about wanting more immigrants from Norway rather than "shithole countries" in Africa, and of course equivocating on Charlottesville.

Granted, he hasn't burned a cross on the White House lawn, but it's difficult to look at his statements and the unprecedented (and well documented) support his campaign had from racists and not conclude he probably is racist beyond a reasonable doubt.

[0]https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r...

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by sonnyblarney »

gscott wrote: post #39
swebs wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, on the other hand, am glad these tariffs are happening. They've been a long time coming.

I agree. We can't control China's behavior but the tariffs do a good job of controlling our own behavior since they punish us more then China. So if you are single sourcing everything in China you will be punished more then those who have more sources. Challenge is the next President will back right off and we will be where we were before.

"since they punish us more then China. "

No they don't.

Most goods from China can be sourced elsewhere, moreover, America has the surpluses to handle some extra cost.

China doesn't. They are at the end of their last boom, and in trouble, it's really bad, and this comes at a bad time.

This is why China's response to Trump's most recent massive tariffs are much smaller.

The US has the upper hand in this, though not blatantly.

The sticking point right now is verification: both sides agree that China should stop with the IP theft, but the US does not believe China will actually do anything after the agreement has been signed, and so wants China to change it's laws. China sees this as a breach of sovereignty. So there's a huge face saving problem on China side, and to some extent on the US side with Trump.

I think they will work it out actually, a deal will be signed, China will take 'some steps' but they won't really care, Trump will be gone in a few years. I don't think that much will change in the end.

But these tariffs are really bad for China.

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Post by coding123 »

laurentdc wrote: post #20
mey wrote: post #11

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Watching from afar, the amount of huge holes in Cisco are staggering. I don't really understand IT's love of Cisco, other than that's all they've certed in/invested in/never get fired for IBM mentality. For people in the networking space, what makes you use cisco for firewalls/core routing at this point?

* abundance of people with Cisco knowledge and certifications, everyone has fiddled with a Cisco CLI at some point in their career * devices on the gray market are very cheap, low barrier to entry for setting up a lab or a SMB infrastructure * the lower end stuff is pretty much set and forget (e.g. we still have 1700 series devices from year 2003 routing calls without a hiccup) * "nobody ever got fired for buying Cis…

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/11/cisco_sap_failures/

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by chrischen »

swebs wrote: post #25
robertAngst wrote: post #16

Can anyone stop him? I don't want him to do this. I don't want these tariffs. Does this mean the Republican Party is compliant in this nonsense?

I, on the other hand, am glad these tariffs are happening. They've been a long time coming.

We don't really source much except cheap labor from China. On the surface it seems like the Chinese make the bulk of the profit off something like an iPhone but really they make very little. In fact China knows this, which is why they've been tariffing iPhones even if they are "exported" from China back to China.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-makes-8-46-from-an-iphone...

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Post by m0zg »

gscott wrote: post #39
swebs wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, on the other hand, am glad these tariffs are happening. They've been a long time coming.

I agree. We can't control China's behavior but the tariffs do a good job of controlling our own behavior since they punish us more then China. So if you are single sourcing everything in China you will be punished more then those who have more sources. Challenge is the next President will back right off and we will be where we were before.

Not to worry: looking at the abysmal democratic lineup right now it seems like the next president will be the same as the current one.

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by m0zg »

krapp wrote: post #62
deertick1 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe trump is racist.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that he is[0,1], going back to lawsuits over housing discrimination in the 1970s, to his comments about wanting more immigrants from Norway rather than "shithole countries" in Africa, and of course equivocating on Charlottesville. Granted, he hasn't burned a cross on the White House lawn, but it's difficult to look at his statements and the unprecedented (and well…

Charlottesville hoax has been debunked again and again, including by MSM outlets themselves. Read what he actually said: https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-fun...

Re: Trump Moves to Ban Foreign Telecom Gear, Targeting Huawei and China

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Post by monocasa »

quotz wrote: post #61
cup wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And CIA seeded companies aren't?

USA is not a communist country, big difference. With political administration changes, also do foreign policy opinions change, along with whatever CIA has to do with foreign sovereignties. One USA regime pardons Manning, another jails him/her. One USA regime bombs Syria, another doesnt. Also, CIA seeded companies are just a few and none of the big ones. Palantir and Oculus are their biggest, not sure Oculus can spy o…

Yeah it's just a coincidence that Cisco can't seem to quit shipping hardcoded root backdoors to their routers...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-a...

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