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Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by peterwwillis »

> I cannot believe that they didn’t open this pane and test it, even briefly

Does this author really think that every developer, after every code commit, and before every release, manually goes through every single piece of functionality in an entire operating system, in every possible configuration, to ensure nothing regressed? That just does not happen. Either they write regression tests, or they document a feature and have QC evaluate it. But both of those can be error-prone, bugs happen, and there is absolutely no indication that anyone knew about the bugs. Refusing to report them because "they should have known about them anyway" is childish.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by [deleted] »

smnscu wrote: post #25
js2 wrote: post #19

This bug is much more subtle that the author describes. I use keyboard shortcuts semi-regularly so I would've noticed this bug, especially if it had been around since 10.13. I never noticed it, but then I realized the author's screenshots are all dark themed. I use the light theme and cannot reproduce it under 10.14.4 with light theme. If I toggle to dark theme, I can reproduce it, but not in a consistent way. Depend…

I mean, they also had this bug for ages: > There is, still, a long-standing MacOS bug where your balance may drift when volume buttons are pressed while CPU is under heavy load. https://github.com/jamsinclair/ballast https://www.tunabellysoftware.com/balance_lock/

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Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by rsync »

"macOS is designed to be rich in features and highly adaptable to everyone’s taste. It’s also designed to be driven in a variety of ways, including extensive use of keyboard shortcuts."

Both of these statements are false.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by jacobsenscott »

tyingq wrote: post #29
jacobsenscott wrote: post #27

I doubt it is developer apathy. It smells like a management issue. iOS is where the money is. I don't know anyone at apple, but here's how I imagine it is there: Every OSX engineer probably has more bugs on their plate than can be fixed in one career, in addition to feature development tasks. The OSX team is severely understaffed both because it is not a priority at Apple, and because it is getting harder and harder…

Is there some credible source as to what percentage of revenue or profit MacOS drives versus the rest of the org?

I'm sure there are lots. This shows iphone dwarfs all other sources of revenue https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Q4-18-Data-Summary.pdf

Apple is a phone manufacturer. Computers are a side business.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by [deleted] »

tyingq wrote: post #29
jacobsenscott wrote: post #27

I doubt it is developer apathy. It smells like a management issue. iOS is where the money is. I don't know anyone at apple, but here's how I imagine it is there: Every OSX engineer probably has more bugs on their plate than can be fixed in one career, in addition to feature development tasks. The OSX team is severely understaffed both because it is not a priority at Apple, and because it is getting harder and harder…

Is there some credible source as to what percentage of revenue or profit MacOS drives versus the rest of the org?

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Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by deergomoo »

tyingq wrote: post #29
jacobsenscott wrote: post #27

I doubt it is developer apathy. It smells like a management issue. iOS is where the money is. I don't know anyone at apple, but here's how I imagine it is there: Every OSX engineer probably has more bugs on their plate than can be fixed in one career, in addition to feature development tasks. The OSX team is severely understaffed both because it is not a priority at Apple, and because it is getting harder and harder…

Is there some credible source as to what percentage of revenue or profit MacOS drives versus the rest of the org?

According to their recent financials, 8% of revenue (vs 54% from iPhone, 10% from iPad, 20% from services, 9% from everything else (wearables, accessories, etc).

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by wlesieutre »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #34
tyingq wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there some credible source as to what percentage of revenue or profit MacOS drives versus the rest of the org?

I'm sure there are lots. This shows iphone dwarfs all other sources of revenue https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Q4-18-Data-Summary.pdf Apple is a phone manufacturer. Computers are a side business.

A side business that is still a requirement for anyone to ship software into Apple’s iPhone ecosystem, so there’s at least some incentive for Apple to continue supporting it.

But given that developers have no choice in the matter, they’re stuck putting up with whatever issues Apple doesn’t bother to fix. I’m sure Apple is well aware of that when prioritizing what bugs are important.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by tomduncalf »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #27

I doubt it is developer apathy. It smells like a management issue. iOS is where the money is. I don't know anyone at apple, but here's how I imagine it is there: Every OSX engineer probably has more bugs on their plate than can be fixed in one career, in addition to feature development tasks. The OSX team is severely understaffed both because it is not a priority at Apple, and because it is getting harder and harder…

The iPhone integrations (assuming you mean Handover) are one of my favourite parts of the MacOS/iOS ecosystem and one of many reasons why I can't see myself moving away from either OS for a long time.

I've also experienced very few bugs in MacOS which have affected me on a day to day basis. Not saying they aren't there, but to me the MacOS team are doing a pretty great job.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by Bahamut »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #27

I doubt it is developer apathy. It smells like a management issue. iOS is where the money is. I don't know anyone at apple, but here's how I imagine it is there: Every OSX engineer probably has more bugs on their plate than can be fixed in one career, in addition to feature development tasks. The OSX team is severely understaffed both because it is not a priority at Apple, and because it is getting harder and harder…

There's no "OSX team" at Apple. That would go against Apple's whole corporate structure.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by gumby »

arthurcolle wrote: post #18
jbverschoor wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And overall power usage. I think I probably know more shortcuts and optimizations on macOS than most people at Apple.

Have any tricks you want to share? My MBP 15" gets 2 hr tops unless its plugged in. Even with "mere" web browsing

That’s a battery problem if so and I’d get it fixed. A new MBP should get something like 10 hours of browsing (presumably Apple claims more)
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