Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by bkudria » Tue, May 14, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC

Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug
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Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by tomcam » Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:51 AM UTC

Apple used to be pretty good with Mac accessibility. Now, not so much.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by jmull » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:12 PM UTC

I tried this and for me, it's a minor bug.

Upon adding the third shortcut, the display of the "menu" name, indeed, shows as an ellipsis. But:

(1) the name is still visible through a tool tip (2) when I close the window and reopen, thingS display fine. (If I start editing again, I can get some weird ellipsis display again, though now by deleting items rather than add thing them)

Anyway, definitely a bug, but at least for me it's pretty easy to work around, so a pretty minor bug in a minor feature.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by freditup » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:17 PM UTC

It's a bug for sure, but conclusions like this are over the top for a single small bug:

> This isn’t an Apple which has any concern over the quality of its products, or for its users. It’s just another leviathan corporation which has stopped caring or taking pride. One small bug reveals a deep and pervasive problem.

I'd rather see a more measured approach to drawing conclusions from a single anecdote.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by jbverschoor » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:23 PM UTC

tomcam wrote: post #2

Apple used to be pretty good with Mac accessibility. Now, not so much.

And overall power usage. I think I probably know more shortcuts and optimizations on macOS than most people at Apple.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

Wow. Looks like I never ran into this bug because I have one too few App Shortcuts set up (only two custom ones, as opposed to 3+).

And this has been in place since Sierra?! Wow!

I'm not convinced that Apple actually knows about this bug, but what does that say about their software testing...

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by frou_dh » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:29 PM UTC

Bug aside, this from-the-outside-in way of creating keyboard shortcuts is a cool feature, that I bet a minority of even Mac powerusers are aware of.

See also "DefaultKeyBinding.dict" for more keyboard behavior possibilities, including stuff like ^W and ^U working in Cocoa text fields.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by duxup » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:31 PM UTC

freditup wrote: post #4

It's a bug for sure, but conclusions like this are over the top for a single small bug: > This isn’t an Apple which has any concern over the quality of its products, or for its users. It’s just another leviathan corporation which has stopped caring or taking pride. One small bug reveals a deep and pervasive problem. I'd rather see a more measured approach to drawing conclusions from a single anecdote.

Yeah the "Apple doesn't care about users" line of thinking for one use case or bug here or there is a bit much.

Personally I've introduced bad ... choices because I cared about users a few times. It just was a mistake on my part, and yet the whole time I was thinking "this will be better for the user".

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by protomyth » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:33 PM UTC

freditup wrote: post #4

It's a bug for sure, but conclusions like this are over the top for a single small bug: > This isn’t an Apple which has any concern over the quality of its products, or for its users. It’s just another leviathan corporation which has stopped caring or taking pride. One small bug reveals a deep and pervasive problem. I'd rather see a more measured approach to drawing conclusions from a single anecdote.

If this was the only item, I would agree with you, but it isn't. Finder is buggy and broken since Mavericks (along with some bugs that look like the got rebroke in [edit]10.14[/edit]). Each new version of Mac OS breaks more stuff. This is exacerbated by their hardware failures and constant "only affects a small number of users" line that gets old. Its a constant stream of breaks these days and they need to start looking at the details.

Re: Mac: Keyboard Shortcuts Killed by Bug

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:47 PM UTC

freditup wrote: post #4

It's a bug for sure, but conclusions like this are over the top for a single small bug: > This isn’t an Apple which has any concern over the quality of its products, or for its users. It’s just another leviathan corporation which has stopped caring or taking pride. One small bug reveals a deep and pervasive problem. I'd rather see a more measured approach to drawing conclusions from a single anecdote.

Yeah, the bet where he basically says "I refuse to report this bug to Apple because they obviously know about it already and are maliciously ignoring it" is just weird.