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Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by the_pwner224 »

ghostly_s wrote: post #72
inetknght wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a key sequence is fine. Remembering the key sequence is annoying. Every OS and UI wants to have it different. Modern OSes even get rid of hints and text so people don't even know that a key sequence is available.

This shortcut has been the same on MacOS, Windows, and most Linux DEs for ages. Can't please everyone, I guess.

This is true, but having just a keyboard shortcut is still a disaster for discoverability. I've used Windows a fair bit and have spent a decade using various Linux DEs; it was only two weeks ago that I discovered Ctrl+L.

It's a wonderful shortcut, useful in browsers and a huge number of other applications, but having buttons and menus and other UI features - which may take up a tiny bit of space and piss off designers who want ultra simple UIs - are what allow people to become good at using software naturally, without having to actively seek out knowledge from the few enlightened ones.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#102

Post by sk0g »

inetknght wrote: post #75
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #53

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>infinite appending issue though? I've never experienced this. Particularly, I don't experience this with Discord, and Discord is to Slack what a bee is to an ant, which is why I juxtapose it. (And I would ask if it might be something on the Slack side, but you say it happens with everything.) >Also when notifications decide to just stay on screen indefinitely Never had this either. Might have been bugs. If you're on…

On the other hand, I've had it with Slack, Discord, Skype, and most anything that uses the OS notification system; using Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04. So while it's not KDE, it's certainly something relatable.

You might be on to something, I had it with Kubuntu, but not, as far as I can remember, with Manjaro or KDE SUSE.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#103

Post by sk0g »

ghostly_s wrote: post #72
inetknght wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a key sequence is fine. Remembering the key sequence is annoying. Every OS and UI wants to have it different. Modern OSes even get rid of hints and text so people don't even know that a key sequence is available.

This shortcut has been the same on MacOS, Windows, and most Linux DEs for ages. Can't please everyone, I guess.

And it works on browsers, Spotify, etc. As close to a universal shortcut as we're getting, albeit not as well known as ones like Ctrl+S.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#104

Post by eitland »

azinman2 wrote: post #97
eitland wrote: post #85

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> If you’re going to rip off Apple, at least do it to Apple quality! Otherwise it’s a cheap knock off. KDE isn't similar to Apple at all. Source: have used both for years.

I’m specifically talking about notifications: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204079

Just har a look at this as well as the fine article. Colors are similar but that's about it in my non designer opinion; even the colors are different as the ones from Apple seems to be somewhat translucent (kind of like Vista IIRC ;-).

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#105

Post by eitland »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #101
ghostly_s wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shortcut has been the same on MacOS, Windows, and most Linux DEs for ages. Can't please everyone, I guess.

This is true, but having just a keyboard shortcut is still a disaster for discoverability. I've used Windows a fair bit and have spent a decade using various Linux DEs; it was only two weeks ago that I discovered Ctrl+L. It's a wonderful shortcut, useful in browsers and a huge number of other applications, but having buttons and menus and other UI features - which may take up a tiny bit of space and piss off designer…

> I've used Windows a fair bit and have spent a decade using various Linux DEs; it was only two weeks ago that I discovered Ctrl+L.

It wasn't available in Explorer until recently.

More specifically: sometimes I have to work with Windows 2008 servers and it is not available there.

I think in older Windows Explorers you could use an F-key or something but I don't work that much with Windows anymore.

> but having buttons and menus and other UI features - which may take up a tiny bit of space and piss off designers who want ultra simple UIs - are what allow people to become good at using software naturally, without having to actively seek out knowledge from the few enlightened ones.

I tvink we agree. I have had a feeling for a while that a lot of the simplification of UX we have done in the last 10 years is more dumbification, and that by removing the learning curve we've also removed the learning.

Do I mean software should be hard to use? No. Use as clear ux as possible but if you are designing power user apps for existing power users (or people that should become power users) don't be afraid to add some configurability.

If I should try to come up with one rule of thumb: if a ux designer is removing options the users want they might be dumbing down the UX instead of simplifying it.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#106

Post by jeroenhd »

andrewrothman wrote: post #84

Not sure why there's so much negativity in this thread. Thanks for spending the time to improve this. I love that KDE can show notifications from my phone via KDE Connect. It's not without its problems (the design could improve, and I'd love support for android quick respond actions if they're possible) but overall seems like great work.

I've been using KDE Connect on my phone with GSConnect in Gnome and I can safely say that KDE connect is what made me boot Linux more than Windows. I've been dual booting for ages but the ability to copy text and send files across the network with a standardised interface made my life a load easier.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#107

Post by nbabitskiy »

sergiomattei wrote: post #4

I can't be the only one that dislikes KDE's typography. I see that notification pane and aside from color, nothing gives it typographical hierarchy. It just looks odd to me.

I never could use KDE, because it systematically mistreats words. It's not only typography (few WMs get it right, tbh), but as a language user, I feel uneasy everytime I have to use "Konsole" or "Konqueror".

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#108

Post by bscphil »

mort96 wrote: post #96
bscphil wrote: post #63

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I agree with you that newer interfaces (Windows 10 in particular) are mostly not very good. But I wouldn't say personally that KDE is a good example of 2000s era design. I think Gnome 2 was the absolute pinnacle of PC GUI design, actually. Having instantaneous access to Applications / Places / System (with text labels!) makes so much sense; it's one of the few desktop environments that pretty much any competent compu…

> Having instantaneous access to Applications / Places / System (with text labels!) makes so much sense I don't really get that. I suppose I've just never gotten used to it, but I just find that typing the name of the application is so much easier and faster. If I know I want to e.g launch Nautilus, why would I first spend time thinking about whether it's a "place" or an "application" or a part of the "system"? Is my…

>I don't really get that. I suppose I've just never gotten used to it, but I just find that typing the name of the application is so much easier and faster. If I know I want to e.g launch Nautilus, why would I first spend time thinking about whether it's a "place" or an "application" or a part of the "system"? Is my text editor an "educational" program or an "office" program or an "accessory"? Or maybe _that_ is a "system" tool?

Well, there are several aspects to this. For an ordinary user, who's just started with the system, they don't even know the file manager is named "nautilus", so they wouldn't know to type it in. The Gnome 2 system aids discovery. Second, a user might not even know they could search for things, or be less comfortable with the keyboard. (Personally I do set things up this way: I have caps lock mapped to KDE's search widget, in the style of Chromebooks. I don't have a "Application" menu at all.)

But maybe most importantly, one usually thinks "I want to look at my pictures", not "I want to open the file manager." In Gnome 2, you would open the Places menu and click Pictures. Which, of course, would open Nautilus already pointed at the correct directory. I have a Places widget with a folder icon on my KDE taskbar for this purpose.

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