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Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dk- »

lwansbrough wrote: post #76
rhizome wrote: post #72

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> It helps websites be absorbed by Google so that Google can retain the user on their site Does it also keep every cookie on a page 1st party to Google, so they don't have (m)any more GDPR-type blockers?

Are you trying to point this out as being a good thing? I don’t know the answer because I don’t click AMP links, but I don’t have a problem with GDPR nonsense anyway because I’m not in Europe.

you still have to comply with the GDPR. if not, you can be detained if (e.g.) your plane makes an unwanted stop in the EU. (this assumes, EU brought a GDPR complaint against you or your company and you bothered to not respond)

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by donmcronald »

mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

I switched to Firefox and use the dedicated search widget with bing as the default. It’s only a couple clicks to repeat a search on google. I’m fairly happy.

Google search has definitely gone down hill IMO because I find bing to be close enough in quality now that I don’t find myself searching on google a lot.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dk- »

pembrook wrote: post #27
jostmey wrote: post #11

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Except that people will stop using google if it can’t help them find useful information. Google’s leadership seems to not understand or not care about how the internet works

That might've been true in the past when the internet was still young and there wasn't as much data around to monopolize. Look at the history of the auto industry to see how the development of a new tech industry plays out long term. To be overly reductive, thousands of companies got distilled to GM + Ford (like Google + Facebook). Data is the most valuable commodity today. The mountain of data and network effects Go…

food for thought: there used to be 30-40 american car makers, now there are 3.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

memo_ree wrote: post #62
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

If Google want to contribute, downrank sites that bloat, or track, or are littered with all the other crap that ruins the experience.

Which would of course include a lot of what Google does. So they "solve the problem" by not solving the problem.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by SECProto »

reaperducer wrote: post #42
mattkevan wrote: post #5

After switching to DDG few years ago, I used google search again for the first time in a while was surprised How bad their search has become. Not because it’s not good, it’s still better than DDG at certain things, but because the results have been crowded out by so much junk. There were so many ads, snippets, did you also means, and AMP widgets that there was only room for about eight actual search results. How have…

This is a good reminder for me to switch my default search engine to DDG again. I try it every few months for a week or so and then switch back to Big G when I find DDG isn't right for the types of searches I need. I look forward to the day when I forget to switch back to Google.

Same! I just did a test search, and the results seem much more relevant than ~1 year ago (last time I tried)

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dk- »

dbbk wrote: post #80
Zarath wrote: post #45

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When you're working day to day you tend to lose sight of the bigger picture and only focus on the problem you're trying to solve and either let your managers mostly decide what problems you will solve, or just work to get "features" implemented for promotional reasons.

I don't accept this excuse. Google engineers are smart people. It's not like they are not aware of what they are building.

with the exception of the very few people who know how to manage upwards, when you are the bottom rung of the totem pole org chart (and i'm not talking about developer or engineer levels), you have zero say over what comes down from 2 or 3 levels above you.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by jacquesm »

You can't really build anything just for the good of the world and not expect that sooner or later the corporate vultures will swoop in to take over. Google is rapidly becoming a cancer on the web, and I sincerely hope that these monopolist tendencies will end up being smashed to bits by the regulatory hammer.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by decasteve »

deogeo wrote: post #2

I'm looking forward to antitrust action being taken against Google due to trying to lock publishers into AMP.

I’m worried that antitrust action legitimizes Google as synonymous with the Internet. I’d rather see Google continue their race to the bottom and join the likes of CompuServe/AOL. It’s only a matter of time before competing services make Google irrelevant. It was hard to fathom 10-15 years ago that someone could come along and challenge them. Now as they take more and more measures like AMP it feels like it is ripe for someone to come along and make Google’s results feel like the new AltaVista/Yahoo in comparison.

The Internet is vast and wide and the lens through Google/Twitter/Facebook, et al, which many see it is getting foggy. A time will come when we look back at this era and see it as the growing pains from the massive transition to a globally connected world.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by jacquesm »

cheeze wrote: post #66
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

You seem really angry about this...

They're far from alone in that.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by jacquesm »

izacus wrote: post #79
hw wrote: post #70

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Isn't that up to the developers themselves - whether they want to shoot themselves in the foot by slowing down their site by including lots of JS? Who is Google to determine how the Internet should be run? Shoving AMP down people's throat - because Google can as it owns majority browser and search market share - is akin to large governments in the world pushing their weight around and sticking their noses in other co…

No, it's akin to large governments swooping in and regulating industries when they start hurting people en masse. Web developers weren't professional enough to make the web fast. AMP isn't the right solution, but the community itself was incapable of policing itself so it was just a question of time before it happened. Before that, people were massively moving to the apps because the web got too slow and unusable on…

It is actually the opposite, it is a large corporation abusing its position to entrench itself even more. It has nothing to do with regulation. If google wanted to do the right thing all they had to do was penalize the bloat.
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