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Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by hrktb »

stephenr wrote: post #37
joedevon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here but I wanted to add that search is at par 100% on the main search tab. Almost identical but less ads on DDG. Not sure about the images, they seem to just be different images. Google is better at news search. That's the only place I've noticed DDG not being as good at. But DDG is FAR superior as a user experience IMO because of the bangs https://duckduckgo.com/bang

My only issue with DDG (which doesn’t stop me using it) is if you turn off safe search (eg to prevent false positive blocks for something you want to find) holy shit does a lot of porn show up - for completely non-sexual terms. I’m a big boy, I’m not offended by most of it (the frequency of bizarre Simpson’s porn is a little weird) but it’s somewhat weird the way it appears. I searched for “power Mac case door”, all…

> “power Mac case door”

I have the same results for animated gifs with safe search off, but I think it’s more because of the presence of “power” or “mac” in so many of these gifs or related pages, compared to the number of gifs of computer related stuff.

Put it another way, I think these are legit results, and not false positives or usurping the search terms.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by memo_ree »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #54
memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit.

I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including megabytes of extra JavaScript for ads/tracking, at all the companies who are currently using AMP?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

karl_gluck wrote: post #33

Well, here it is. This is the straw that broke the camel's back for me: I've finally been motivated to switch my browser default to Duck Duck Go.

I made the same choice.

This is exactly the type of behavior antitrust is supposed to prevent, and it's the same reasoning behind the Microsoft antitrust action in the late 90s: it's OK if you built up a monopoly because you had a superior product, but it is NOT OK to leverage that monopoly to dictate other areas of the marketplace.

It would be OK if Google released AMP and everyone jumped on it because it was a great product. The only reason anyone uses it is because Google gives it prominent position in search results, and search position on Google is make or break for anyone publishing content on the web.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by mises »

lozenge wrote: post #32
mises wrote: post #26

You know what I hate about google search possibly most of all? It doesn't list the actual URLs as hyperlinks. It lists part of them, and then has a google tracking URL as an actual link. Some times, I want to copy a URL without visiting it to use elsewhere. Sometimes, clicking it will cause the page to redirect, meaning I have to copy really quickly. I wish they would stop doing this. For reference, you have to right…

That is how they know which results are good and which send people straight back to the results page. And, it's going away thanks to the new "ping" HTML attribute.

Yikes; I hadn't heard about this. Does uBlock origin stop this? I certainly don't want my browser doing it.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lwansbrough »

memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

Technically speaking it does nothing of the sort. It helps websites be absorbed by Google so that Google can retain the user on their site. Which keeps the experience fast. But you don’t need Google to make your site fast, and in some cases using AMP can slow your site down. If it was just about making the web fast, there wouldn’t be AMP-only features. It would just be “fast only” and websites would have to meet certain criteria to pass that test. You should try using your brain a little more when you think about the motivation behind Google’s actions. Do you think the stakeholders at Google care how fast a user can exit Google?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by cheeze »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #54
memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

You seem really angry about this...

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

lozenge wrote: post #32
mises wrote: post #26

You know what I hate about google search possibly most of all? It doesn't list the actual URLs as hyperlinks. It lists part of them, and then has a google tracking URL as an actual link. Some times, I want to copy a URL without visiting it to use elsewhere. Sometimes, clicking it will cause the page to redirect, meaning I have to copy really quickly. I wish they would stop doing this. For reference, you have to right…

That is how they know which results are good and which send people straight back to the results page. And, it's going away thanks to the new "ping" HTML attribute.

"ping" died years ago, what are you talking about? https://stackoverflow.com/a/22434264/1075909

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by memo_ree »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #54
memo_ree wrote: post #39

Seriously, I just don't get these hateful comments on Hacker News regarding AMP. It helps websites load fast on mobile, and users really appreciate when websites load fast.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user

Yeah, seems like you should be able to. Just curious, where would you want that option to appear, and how would you want to see the search experience change as a result?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by rhizome »

memo_ree wrote: post #62
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

Seems to be a theme with me this week but I'll suggest it anyway: sites could run their own advertising.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by hw »

memo_ree wrote: post #62
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

Isn't that up to the developers themselves - whether they want to shoot themselves in the foot by slowing down their site by including lots of JS? Who is Google to determine how the Internet should be run? Shoving AMP down people's throat - because Google can as it owns majority browser and search market share - is akin to large governments in the world pushing their weight around and sticking their noses in other countries' issues.

I cringe everytime I visit a page that's AMP enabled, and usually bounce or just get on a desktop. Sure, promote a 'faster' web, but if it's at the expense of a horrible experience, why?

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