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Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by finnthehuman »

h3ckr wrote: post #22
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #14

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Computers are magic though.

The government cannot afford paying someone who actually understands computers. That someone would already be in Silicon Valley, not wanting to work for the government. Funny how things work

You've spent too long in the bubble. People outside of norcal can understand computers too. Many of them even work for the federal government outside of policy roles.

Not everyone is looking to uproot their lives, move to a crowded, overpriced city and sell their soul to adtech, all for a few more dollars, ya know?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lozenge »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67
lozenge wrote: post #32

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That is how they know which results are good and which send people straight back to the results page. And, it's going away thanks to the new "ping" HTML attribute.

"ping" died years ago, what are you talking about? https://stackoverflow.com/a/22434264/1075909

Chrome, Safari and Edge still support it - 87% according to caniuse.com

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lwansbrough »

izacus wrote: post #77
memo_ree wrote: post #62

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> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

Considering the severe downvotes for your question: Nothing. It didn't make a difference when Google announced penalties for slow loading sites and nothing would make a difference now. Hence why web developers of HN are so angry at AMP - it bans them from building sites filled with 20MB of JavaScript bloat. If you read through HN history, you'll see hundreds of comments belittling anytone that complained about webpag…

So penalize sites for load time / bloat. Simple as.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by dbbk »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #67
lozenge wrote: post #32

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That is how they know which results are good and which send people straight back to the results page. And, it's going away thanks to the new "ping" HTML attribute.

"ping" died years ago, what are you talking about? https://stackoverflow.com/a/22434264/1075909

It's very much still alive, it recently got added to Edge for example: https://caniuse.com/#feat=ping

It got removed from the W3C spec, but it's still in WHATWG which is generally considered the canonical spec anyway.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lozenge »

mises wrote: post #64
lozenge wrote: post #32

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That is how they know which results are good and which send people straight back to the results page. And, it's going away thanks to the new "ping" HTML attribute.

Yikes; I hadn't heard about this. Does uBlock origin stop this? I certainly don't want my browser doing it.

I don't know, but how is it different from an onclick/onmouseover handler or a redirect uri from a privacy perspective?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by geekone »

izacus wrote: post #77
memo_ree wrote: post #62

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> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

Considering the severe downvotes for your question: Nothing. It didn't make a difference when Google announced penalties for slow loading sites and nothing would make a difference now. Hence why web developers of HN are so angry at AMP - it bans them from building sites filled with 20MB of JavaScript bloat. If you read through HN history, you'll see hundreds of comments belittling anytone that complained about webpag…

>If you read through HN history, you'll see hundreds of comments belittling anytone that complained about webpage size and slow loading - usually defending it with a "noone has time to optimize things and build without these huge libraries" argument.

Any examples? My limited reading experience here has been the opposite.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by pxtail »

I think that all of this: AMP, AMP Stories, mini apps[0] and recently announced Portals is a road to create behavior and ecosystem similar to WeChat where user can do as many things as possible without leaving the app. The problem is that google doesn't have popular chat app, but hey... they have incredibly popular search engine..

[0] https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/08/googles-mini-apps-are-app...

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lwansbrough »

memo_ree wrote: post #62
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. > We could have just had that, without all this stupid bullshit CDN redirection/misdirection bullshit. I agree the world could have faster pages without AMP. What would that take though? Would it take web developers across the world pushing back against including me…

Why is this Google’s problem to solve? And why, if it is somehow Google’s problem to solve (which would mean it’s any search provider’s problem to solve) does it require the site to adopt Google technology? Why not just penalize slow/bloated sites?

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by jabgrabdthrow »

cheeze wrote: post #66
MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

You seem really angry about this...

Everybody can tell, it seems like he really tried to emphasize that part.

Re: Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

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Post by lwansbrough »

izacus wrote: post #79
hw wrote: post #70

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Isn't that up to the developers themselves - whether they want to shoot themselves in the foot by slowing down their site by including lots of JS? Who is Google to determine how the Internet should be run? Shoving AMP down people's throat - because Google can as it owns majority browser and search market share - is akin to large governments in the world pushing their weight around and sticking their noses in other co…

No, it's akin to large governments swooping in and regulating industries when they start hurting people en masse. Web developers weren't professional enough to make the web fast. AMP isn't the right solution, but the community itself was incapable of policing itself so it was just a question of time before it happened. Before that, people were massively moving to the apps because the web got too slow and unusable on…

Who elected Google to act on our behalf? Free market takes care of slow sites. Either they’re too slow to use or they’re not.
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