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Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Depends where you are. I would agree in most cities, but in a lot of rural areas, Fred is going to get thrown in jail.

You think fred isn't going to just loot the next town over?

I’m pretty sure once the person gets identified then it is not too long until the arrest. Small town sheriffs talk, a lot.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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I mostly agree. Why do I need WIFI on my lights, coffee maker, or dishwasher? A thermostat is my personal exception though. Being able to program it on my phone is a huge UI improvement over prior thermostats. Also, being able to change it without getting out of bed in the middle of the night is a bonus.

I just don't understand why programming a thermostat needs to bring Google into the loop? It's not needed. My data should stay with me if I so desire (without needing extensive mistake-prone config).

They've had programmable thermostats for years. Having your house cool down at night/when you are at work is not a new concept that IoT suddenly made possible.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Or end up like people investing in “smart homes” in the 90s. Remember when built in intercom systems in the home were considered advanced? http://mentalfloss.com/article/510559/what-smart-home-techno...

And how about my long unused (over 35 years!) but still working 1967 (built when my house was constructed) central vacuum?

Why don't you use yours? I would love to be able to just carry a plastic tube over lugging the vacuum around the house.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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This article was a surprisingly difficult read. It felt like every other word was a brand name, and the underlying confusing naming scheme surely didn't help. On top of that the author flip-flops between the issues of Nest going away (loss of privacy, and product ecosystem) while excited about Nest functionality moving to Google Home (Google Nest?). I think the main takeaway for me is that it'll probably be another d…

> It felt like every other word was a brand name God, yes, that's been annoying me a lot recently. Was a bird fined? No, Bird was fined. Do you want a smart home? Buy Smart Home! I find it much easier to read when brands and products aren't just random nouns.

It makes it tricky to even search for terms. I was trying to google something about Pocket a while back and man I nearly threw my computer at the wall trying to dig for a relevant result. I think a lot of companies unintentionally shoot themselves in the foot pulling their single word product name out of the dictionary.

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Smart people don't buy smart home devices. My relatively poor grandparents and my slightly less poor parents had a hard working life, but none of them had to sleep in a dark cold room because the switch to turn the lights on or the heating stopped working. Ever. This problem has been solved by other people many many years ago. Last month I watched a documentary where a billionaire was showing of his multi million man…

that's why the big profits, smart people is still a minority

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Smart people don't buy smart home devices. My relatively poor grandparents and my slightly less poor parents had a hard working life, but none of them had to sleep in a dark cold room because the switch to turn the lights on or the heating stopped working. Ever. This problem has been solved by other people many many years ago. Last month I watched a documentary where a billionaire was showing of his multi million man…

This is pure FUD. I'm disappointed that it's got so many responses on HN instead of being down-voted in exchange for a better anti-IoT argument at the top instead. But hey, sure, let's go through this: - I don't care about some dude you saw on TV. A single anecdote means nothing. Even less when it's someone not representative of the population. - A strawman convenience is another terrible argument. Sometimes it matte…

There are extremely serious and well known security problems with smart light bulbs. Compromising one's home network is in no way low risk.

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I suppose that’s why instead of showing examples you are making broad sweeping claims?

Airport stuff, Ping, Monster branded beats headphones, etc. You can get support for mac/etc stuff for 5 years after purchase (which admittedly is nice). However, before you decide that is awesome, things like the headphones were killed with no support regardless of purchase date. Apple also refuses to call anything it stopped manufacturing "canceled" at all. It deliberately tries to message this part, calling them "v…

So now it’s a sin to create a product and then stop manufacturing it? The only thing I would remotely agree with is Ping but that was a social network with user counts in the dozens.

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> There are several IoT products with manual fallback options on the market. Name three. Also, "manual fallback" is a cop-out. When I want manual operations, I don't go looking for home automation. The "smart" features should be available without Internet. There's nothing technically difficult about this, but it isn't being done because of abusive business practices.

If you don't want an internet enabled device, then you are looking in the wrong place. The I in IoT stands for internet.

That’s the point here though isn’t it? I don’t want the internet involved with turning the lights on when I have to get up at night.

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I was pretty skeptical before trying it. I found that you don't spend much time configuring things and it's actually quite nice to just go to bed saying "Alexa, turn off living room". Not life changing, but definitely worth the investment. If something fails, you're no worse off than you were before. Also, smart sockets and switches are great items for a Christmas/birthday/wedding/etc registry/gift-list.

> If something fails, you're no worse off than you were before. Well, you are already horizontal. In fact it's worse, because unless every single light source is hooked up, you now spend twice the mental effort. Past: 1. Turn off everything 2. Go to bed. Present: 1. Turn off everything that is dumb. Only dumb thing. 2. Ensure smart things are ON (physically have power) otherwise you won't be able to voice control the…

You’re really stretching to make this sound tedious and error prone. Obviously you don’t have to wait until you’re in bed but moreover in 2 years I haven’t once had to get out of bed to manually turn off a light. If you like physical switches, more power to you, but stretching like you’re doing to vindicate your preference is just bizarre.

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> Apple sells Apple Home Hub Apple doesn't sell a "home hub" product. But their smart speaker (HomePod), TV set top box (Apple TV) and tablets (iPad) can all function as a gateway for HomeKit devices to be securely controlled from outside the LAN without the devices themselves having to be very smart or secure.

IIRC, there was AirPort, which was / is a wireless router that had options for things like storing device backups or similar. Totally feasible to make a killer wireless AP that's Apple branded and connects better to the ecosystem, but that doesn't seem to be the direction Apple is going.

Yep, they had a range of WiFi routers, including one with a built-in harddisk for backups. They stopped updating them before they launched HomeKit though, so it never supported that.

It's a shame they stopped investing in them and missing the whole mesh Wi-Fi development. Also in this age where they're touting "privacy first" and iTunes is on the endangered list, not supporting iOS device backups over a LAN is a huge deficiency.

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