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Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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What would you expect to happen. This was written the moment G bought it. Of course they are going to merge the platform into Google-Home. This was inevitable

Merging can be done without killing the existing API. I don't care if they stick "Google Home Assistant Plus+" in front of it as long as the API allows for interfacing with the hardware I purchased.

Instead, Google decided to go the full-Google kill-everything route.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely would invest into Smart Home, but only if I can control it 100% from the server in my basement without the appliance having any internet access at all. All my IoT devices are in a wifi without any internet access.

Can you offer up a list of items that you were able to configure like this; or a reference point I could use to get started?

For lightning I use the Ikea Tradfri brand, but afaik Philips Hue also works. (as do most ZigBee products with various bridges)

The management solution in my home is OpenHab2, but Home Assistant also works fine.

https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ https://www.openhab.org/addons/

There are a few other products I use (for blinds, windows, heat), but you can often simply search the above two lists and read through the documentation whether they need internet (or "cloud") access or whether theyre totally local.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really an 'internet' of things then is it? More like 'WLoT' (Wireless LAN of things)

In office buildings, devices already talk to each other using a network, so you don't have miles of cables from each switch to light or window-blind. In cars too, with CAN Bus. Apple sells Apple Home Hub, I wonder if that's their "central control system" so that the Apple Home devices can be a bit dumber, but also it means there's a central firewall and system that can look for updates. Also if you can install the "c…

> Apple sells Apple Home Hub

Apple doesn't sell a "home hub" product. But their smart speaker (HomePod), TV set top box (Apple TV) and tablets (iPad) can all function as a gateway for HomeKit devices to be securely controlled from outside the LAN without the devices themselves having to be very smart or secure.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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I can't think of a single compelling use-case for home automation systems. I'm trying to understand what other people see in it. I have to wonder if it's driven by the amount of interest a person has in "tinkering" with technology.

the beginnings of a killer app for me can be seen in all those keep plants from dying apps, but they are still too unwieldy for me to consider them as something I'd actually want.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

#55

I did quite a bit of experimentation with home automation systems (HomeSeer, Home Assistant, Domoticz and so on) and decided that the best (at least for me) and the most control giving solution is NodeRED - https://github.com/node-red/node-red . You can create pretty complex flows with many already available nodes but if you want something custom - it's trivial either to add JS functions or to create your own node fr…

Another option: Use HomeAssistant for the user friendly interface (fancy buttons, value display, you-name-it), and use NodeRED for the logic. The HomeAssistant nodes are quite decent, it‘s how I‘ve set things up at home.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely would invest into Smart Home, but only if I can control it 100% from the server in my basement without the appliance having any internet access at all. All my IoT devices are in a wifi without any internet access.

Not really an 'internet' of things then is it? More like 'WLoT' (Wireless LAN of things)

Technically, I can still access the devices from the internet, but simply through the open source software that manages all the IoT shit.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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In what world could Nest have been a profitable ongoing concern without being acquired by someone? It’s hard enough going from startup to either IPO or a self sustainable “lifestyle business” for a software company. It’s almost impossible for a hardware company - see Eero.

I think they had a shot.

It seems to me that they had managed to effectively own the top end segment of the home thermostat market in term of branding and product recognition. I don't see why that wouldn't have enabled a profitable, sustainable company.

The thing is that these days people start this kind of company with their exit in mind from day one.

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

#59

This is why we invested in Apple Home, since that is the least likely to go away completely off all the options. Any Google service other than Gmail and Google Maps may come and go so while they offer amazing features at the cost of invading your privacy, there is no guarantee they will there in the long term.

Apple has cancelled plenty of things, it's just much better at erasing history and pretending those things never existed than the other companies.

I suppose that’s why instead of showing examples you are making broad sweeping claims?

Re: Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019

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This is why I would never invest too much into Smart Home. While my phone may be expected to last for a few years only, I don't want my house deprecated because of a takeover/bankruptcy of a company.

I definitely would invest into Smart Home, but only if I can control it 100% from the server in my basement without the appliance having any internet access at all. All my IoT devices are in a wifi without any internet access.

Following a nearby lightning strike that destroyed our broadband router, I was pleasantly surprised to find that our Hive controllers still worked and scheduled water and heating correctly. Did also make me find the physical buttons for turning stuff on/off as well - though that didn't turn out to be necessary.
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