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Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by [deleted] »

notatoad wrote: post #57
inetknght wrote: post #39

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Lack of horizontal padding? What padding do you want? There's clear whitespace between everything. I for one definitely like and want more compact information. I definitely do not like the trend for making information more sparse. Leave that for your blog; business runs on information.

The most egregious example that stood out to me here is the x-padding between the edge of the notification panel and any text inside the panel is less than the padding between the notification title and the text below it. The problem isn't that they need more padding, it's that their padding makes no sense. If they made a design decision to have tight padding that would be one thing, but they've got a horizontal layo…

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Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#72

Post by ghostly_s »

inetknght wrote: post #56
hadrien01 wrote: post #13

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Ctrl+L has always worked for me, it highlights the path field.

Having a key sequence is fine. Remembering the key sequence is annoying. Every OS and UI wants to have it different. Modern OSes even get rid of hints and text so people don't even know that a key sequence is available.

This shortcut has been the same on MacOS, Windows, and most Linux DEs for ages. Can't please everyone, I guess.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by inetknght »

notatoad wrote: post #57
inetknght wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lack of horizontal padding? What padding do you want? There's clear whitespace between everything. I for one definitely like and want more compact information. I definitely do not like the trend for making information more sparse. Leave that for your blog; business runs on information.

The most egregious example that stood out to me here is the x-padding between the edge of the notification panel and any text inside the panel is less than the padding between the notification title and the text below it. The problem isn't that they need more padding, it's that their padding makes no sense. If they made a design decision to have tight padding that would be one thing, but they've got a horizontal layo…

That is still a context-sensitive opinion.

Programmatically, that assumes that that information is available (query a font rasterizer: where is the first pixel? consider also kerning and foreign languages; also query icon: where is the first non-background pixel? consider also theme information where window background might not show the icon well!).

Programmatically, you've un-aligned everything: now the amount of whitespace at the top of the notification is different than the amount of whitespace on the left of the notification.

Sure you might say it looks better. But how much time do you think it would require to make it look "pretty" (for you)? As-is, it's functional and isn't ugly. If you want to improve it, then go contribute to the libraries and applications being used.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#75

Post by inetknght »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #53
sk0g wrote: post #6

Does it solve the infinite appending issue though? Basically, every Slack message would append to the same notification, so after 4-5 notifications, I'd just see old ones and a ... line, making the notifications useless. This also went for the update centre, etc. Also when notifications decide to just stay on screen indefinitely because of... Reasons.

>infinite appending issue though? I've never experienced this. Particularly, I don't experience this with Discord, and Discord is to Slack what a bee is to an ant, which is why I juxtapose it. (And I would ask if it might be something on the Slack side, but you say it happens with everything.) >Also when notifications decide to just stay on screen indefinitely Never had this either. Might have been bugs. If you're on…

On the other hand, I've had it with Slack, Discord, Skype, and most anything that uses the OS notification system; using Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04. So while it's not KDE, it's certainly something relatable.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by wlesieutre »

inetknght wrote: post #74
notatoad wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most egregious example that stood out to me here is the x-padding between the edge of the notification panel and any text inside the panel is less than the padding between the notification title and the text below it. The problem isn't that they need more padding, it's that their padding makes no sense. If they made a design decision to have tight padding that would be one thing, but they've got a horizontal layo…

That is still a context-sensitive opinion . Programmatically, that assumes that that information is available (query a font rasterizer: where is the first pixel? consider also kerning and foreign languages; also query icon: where is the first non-background pixel? consider also theme information where window background might not show the icon well!). Programmatically, you've un-aligned everything: now the amount of w…

> As-is, it's functional and isn't ugly

As you’re keen to point out regarding everyone else’s comments, that’s your opinion.

Personally I think it’s functional and ugly. They could skip the drop shadow, the subtle transparency, the big icon on the right, the rounded corners, and just draw a white box. As long as they fixed the left padding it would look better than this.

Lots of attention to detail on the wrong things before they have the basics, IMO.

EDIT: Here's one for all you folks that aren't bothered by iffy typography https://i.imgur.com/4tBNA0w.jpg

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by nisa »

ru999gol wrote: post #58

every few weeks KDE forgets all my panels because of connecting/disconnecting external displays and KDE having horrible multi display support. KDE is so full of bugs like that its really frustrating, like the task manager forgetting which screen they are on or shift getting stuck when connecting an external keyword, etc. etc. But I've made my peace with all the bugs being a fact of life, using it for 8+ years.

You are not alone. I really like KDE and enjoy using it mostly but it's full of bugs but every other day I'll attempt to use GNOME and I'm back in no time.

I'll share the display issues - something deep inside calls random() on monitor resolution and position - I'm sure!

I've switched to Arc Dark and Numix Circle Icons and it's not ugly anymore. I don't know why they still ship Breeze with that broken padding by default.

But it's really getting better every release.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by modzu »

azinman2 wrote: post #65
funkiee wrote: post #16

Is lack of horizontal padding part of the KDE aesthetic?

When looking at all the screenshots, it’s clear that padding and alignment is neither professional (looks amateur), nor consistent. If you’re going to rip off Apple, at least do it to Apple quality! Otherwise it’s a cheap knock off. Before people grip that this is free software, would you be happy if KDE’s core components were poorly written? Free or not, we should take pride in our work and put the bar at high quali…

kde: still a cartoon

edit: i mean this as the conscious aesthetic, no disrespect is implied

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by JadoJodo »

inetknght wrote: post #42
mediocrejoker wrote: post #35

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This is the first thing I noticed too. The text is too close to the leftmost border and feels very claustrophobic.

Claustrophobic? That's your opinion. It looks great to me.

Of course it's an opinion; They said it "feels", not "is".

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Post by ris »

Please stop redesigning things that work (and are debugged) just for the fun of it. I've only just upgraded past the iteration of KDE which decided to steal focus with its notifications, no matter how much I customized kwin's focus stealing prevention. My current iteration's plasma system tray will stop expanding every couple of days. Reproducible on two systems. It's fun.

I mean, how many times can you redesign a logout screen, really?

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