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Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

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Gnome and KDE seem so close in polish these days, it's hard to decide which one to run and I keep on going back and forward.

personally I find gnome's filesselector unusable, whereas kde's is great.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/issues/233

We've just officially passed the 15 year mark. It's even become a meme now:

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File_Picker_meme

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#32

Why KDE keeps rewriting every single component every few years? Is that because of improper design/planification or because of bad implementation?

Maybe just to improve it ;-)

And to be honest, I think the notifications area required a bit of optimization. To me, it feels like it is also one of the components that received more optimizations than any other component already, but it also seems to be a little more complex than you would expect on first sight.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#33

Why KDE keeps rewriting every single component every few years? Is that because of improper design/planification or because of bad implementation?

> The old notification plasmoid was originally written in 2011

Where "few years" means 8 years? :D By all means rewrite software when it is 8 years old. A lot has changed in that time and the author notes that user expectations have changed, which leads me to the...

...false dichotomy you offered. User expectations and the code base not supporting those is the stated reason.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#34
post #22

I can't be the only one that dislikes KDE's typography. I see that notification pane and aside from color, nothing gives it typographical hierarchy. It just looks odd to me.

You are not alone. Typography is questionable but the worst parts are padding and alignment. I have to apologize in advance because it's going to sound like a harsh comment and I know this is volunteer work. I really think that KDE is technically very good. The amount of basic design mistakes however is just unbearable as far as I am concerned. I mean, let's take a look at this improved notification panel. The closin…

Yeah, this is the real tragedy of KDE, and it's been like this forever: technically, it's fantastic, but the design and polish are really lacking. Instead, all the people good at visual design are working on Gnome, which has technical underpinnings that are crap by comparison.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#36
post #16

Is lack of horizontal padding part of the KDE aesthetic?

I am not sure if there really is a lack. I mean, I think I see what you mean, but given the fact that those are notifications, they are probably meant to feel 'thin' to not attract too much attention.

Another factor might be that those small, focussed screenshots are just not the appropriate format to show how those notifications would look like in the context of a complete desktop.

But in the end, it is also possible that there is an unintended lack of horizontal padding.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has always been the problem with KDE and the reason I can not switch. KDE UI never gets Typography, spacing/padding, or alignment correct. It's a shame because they are so close on most other criteria.

What do you use that respects these principles?

Not trying to be snarky but MacOS.

That being said, on Linux I think Elementary OS is at least trying to create a coherent visual design language. Maybe there are others?

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#38

I can't be the only one that dislikes KDE's typography. I see that notification pane and aside from color, nothing gives it typographical hierarchy. It just looks odd to me.

This has always been the problem with KDE and the reason I can not switch. KDE UI never gets Typography, spacing/padding, or alignment correct. It's a shame because they are so close on most other criteria.

On the other hand, one thing they do really well is theme support and configurability. I agree with you that out of the box it's pretty bad and they need an real designer to redo Breeze, but themes are allowed to adjust margins and it's possible to make KDE look really nice.

Personally I find that using Source Sans Pro as the font and the Arc theme for most of the rest works well.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#39
post #16

Is lack of horizontal padding part of the KDE aesthetic?

Lack of horizontal padding? What padding do you want? There's clear whitespace between everything.

I for one definitely like and want more compact information. I definitely do not like the trend for making information more sparse. Leave that for your blog; business runs on information.

Re: Next Generation KDE Plasma Notifications

#40

Why KDE keeps rewriting every single component every few years? Is that because of improper design/planification or because of bad implementation?

They don't. What you are probably referring to is how they reimplemented lots of components from kde3 to kde4. This was due to a switch to a new major qt version, at which point porting is a big enough amount of work that you might as well improve things while you are at it.
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