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How many companies sustain entire businesses just based on selling thermostats? If Nest captured the entire market and sold $225 thermostats, that's less than a $300 million a year revenue in an entire year. That doesn't take into account wholesale prices. What does the net income look like?
Being sustainable does not mean being a unicorn. As said the issue is that the aim always to exit. And also that they approach this as a Silicon Valley tech company and not as a "standard" company... So spending goes out of hands and it's a billion dollars or nothing.
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#3021989: About one out of every 63 East Germans collaborated with the Stasi. 2018: About one out every 2 Americans now own a 'smart speaker' Both Orwell AND Huxley lacked imagination
This is intellectually dishonest and dismissive to people who actually had to live in a totalitarian surveillance state for decades.
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It will never be worked out. Desktop computing is how many decades old? And it’s still crap. Basic Windows desktop functions still have intermittent problems (that missing file issue in Windows 10). Computer controlled consumer stuff will never reach the reliability and predictability of dumb consumer electronics.
And how many times have you had a flat tire?
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Can't help but quote: «“the "Internet of Things" won't work until the "Local Area Network of Things" works», seen here on HN [1]. There's significantly less money in it, though, and more hassle. It's not going to become popular enough until people get burned enough with vendors going out of business, or just stopping support, and making their convenient $199 gadgets obsolete. In a sense, a large company like Nest pul…
LIFX bulbs work without the need to connect to the internet. They have a LAN protocol that's pretty easy to use.
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It's not even a matter of "safe". I live in a neighborhood that is seen as very safe. Yet, we had a burglary two houses down not too long ago. And they happen frequently enough to myself. I've had plenty stolen. Without a camera, there's ~0% chance of anyone being caught. I ended up buying a camera for peace of mind and for checking in on my place to see who's entering my residence area. Sometimes it's genuinely help…
Seems like “victim preparation” to me. How about a deterrent? My neighborhood has had thefts too. I assume my two dogs barking have been enough to keep them at bay. It wouldn’t surprise me if statistically this holds true elsewhere. Low hanging fruit and all. Have you considered a motion sensor tied to a speaker that plays dogs barking/rustling?
We already have a couple fake cameras on the property as deterrents that were installed by the landlord. I just happened to install a real one because I wanted a little evidence collection since I've been a victim of theft more than once in the bay area.
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#306BUT when I purchased this, this is exactly what I was afraid of. I think this is a huge problem for the software industry in general: most companies don't last. As a customer you can't place your trust in them as they'll be gone in 5 years.
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#307Smart people don't buy smart home devices. My relatively poor grandparents and my slightly less poor parents had a hard working life, but none of them had to sleep in a dark cold room because the switch to turn the lights on or the heating stopped working. Ever. This problem has been solved by other people many many years ago. Last month I watched a documentary where a billionaire was showing of his multi million man…
This is the exact kind of comment that would make it to the top because it just empowered everyone that DOESN'T have one such system. It's filled with finger pointing. Most of the replies basically point out yeah, I hate IoT lights, but this use case is good... It's not genuine to dismiss the entire enchilada because YOU don't have it. In 5 years when all the crap is worked out and you eventually buy a system with ex…
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s/software engineers/management team/
As a software engineer, I don't software engineers should be immune from prosecution if they knowingly violate laws. Your manager telling you to do something (even under threat of firing) is not an excuse if you know that it's illegal. For example, the guy who wrote the software for Bernie Madoff's company knew that he was helping Madoff perpetrate fraud, and ended up in prison.[1] [1] http://static7.businessinsider.…
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I suppose that’s why instead of showing examples you are making broad sweeping claims?
Airport stuff, Ping, Monster branded beats headphones, etc. You can get support for mac/etc stuff for 5 years after purchase (which admittedly is nice). However, before you decide that is awesome, things like the headphones were killed with no support regardless of purchase date. Apple also refuses to call anything it stopped manufacturing "canceled" at all. It deliberately tries to message this part, calling them "v…
Monster and Beats ended their partnership in 2012, and Apple didn't acquire Beats till 2014.
Airport had a long run, and even when discontinued, Apple offered to service Airport products for five years.
Yes, Ping got the axe, and my heart goes out to both of Ping's active users.
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#310The Nest thermostat is really great, a huge leap over crappy manual thermostats and the expensive "high tech" ones that others in the traditional industry have tried to create (bryant, looking at you). BUT when I purchased this, this is exactly what I was afraid of. I think this is a huge problem for the software industry in general: most companies don't last. As a customer you can't place your trust in them as they'…
In what regard? I've yet to run into a problem with my "crappy" thermostats.