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Just to be clear, it didn't call itself the "alt-right" back then. GamerGate was a turning point, I think. And yeah, it hit mainstream in the 2016 US presidential cycle. But until maybe 2015, I really had no clue that this was a political thing.
Oh haha, ok. Then never mind, my comment is somewhat irrelevant
What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#492It's an interesting story. I find the conclusion not unsurprising. The author seems to assume the existence of `alt-right` as a monolithic group with a specific agenda. As far as I can tell that's not true. These groups may come out together to protest because they've been lumped together by the media. If they weren't all branded `alt-right`, would they connect? If you want to disarm them, divide them! Don't label th…
People don't go to radical groups for the ideology: They come for the emotional outlet and camaraderie. Some radicals will flip flop enormously during their "career." They are activists. The guy with anarchist and nazi symbols is not an unusual sight. He's a perpetual misfit without the creativity to fashion his own ideology, someone looking for an edgy support group, who wants to be both with people and distinct fro…
As mentioned elsewhere, I think by far the greatest threat to democracy is groups enclosing themselves, forming rigid identities like has happened to right-wing (and some left-wing) groups in the West: this makes them far easier to manipulate (by tying propositions one wouldn't accept together with the collective identity). This effect has been amplified massively by technology. You can stay insulated by exactly what you want to hear by visiting certain sources exclusively, or worse -- most people are being isolated automatically.
The solution to this seems quite obvious: if technology is fostering isolation, it could instead foster contact with distinct ideologies, by default. Give more weight (through visibility) to long, well thought out arguments instead of short quips and 'likes'; have some kind of diversity bonus (where people a certain 'ideological distance' away are not given lower weight).
The problem is enforcing this kind of structure on social networks. If most people get a large chunk of their information from social networks, we're being controlled by an obscure algorithm that's probably not in our best interest (instead simply driven by simple profit measures). Given how large and impactful Facebook (and Youtube, Twitter) is, I don't think it should be out of question to regulate those algorithms somehow (given repeated failure to self-regulate). We should have a right for seeing the algorithm implementation, have an option to upload a curation algorithm (given some specified API), and if we want select from a few sensible options, like simple chronological ordering, to the aforementioned civil-discourse-promoting ones (which should probably be the default).
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really feels to me as if a lot of teachers join the profession only because they are power-hungry and want some powerless kids to abuse, something like an authority complex. We had teachers at our school print low quality invitations to an event for the students and high quality ones for the teachers. We also had a kid that was expelled from school for insulting a teacher after the teacher insulted him much more h…
I had probably 20 different teachers through the course of primary and secondary school. If I had 4 extremely crappy teachers in school, that would be 1 in 5. Anecdotally, more than 1 in 5 software engineers I've worked with are extremely crappy. At least 1 in 5 people in any job will be incompetent and inept.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#494As an aside, I think we need to do a better job of defining what the alt-right is. The term seems to be used increasingly often these days as a club for smacking around anybody right of center. Obviously, racist and anti-Semitic views would put one in the alt-right category, but there was one section of the article in particular that gave me pause:
They insisted that the wage gap is a fallacy, that feminazis are destroying families, that people need guns to protect themselves from government incursions onto private property.
There are plenty of intelligent and virtuous folks that believe gender wage disparities cannot be attributed entirely (or even mostly) to discrimination, that more traditional families will have a positive impact on society, and that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is to allow individuals to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. Admittedly, I've worded these views in a more nuanced way than they were described in that section of the article. However, if the more nuanced version of these views is now considered "alt-right", then I see little hope for unification and healthy debate between people of opposing views. In that case both sides ought to just retreat to their echo chambers and assume the worst about each other.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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This is a typical feature of any bureaucracy, which basically describes every large power to some degree (some of which are more bureaucratic and others are less).
In a free market business, you can get special treatment, favors, etc., by offering more money. For example, if you want a better apartment, you pay more money for it. Under socialism, where supposedly everyone is treated equally and the apartments are supposedly equal, you get the better apartment using influence, trading favors, bartering, etc. For another example, when you need surgery, which surgeon do you get? U…
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Wow, we had quite similar upbringings. My dad was the co-president of the county's Gifted & Talented Association, and like you I was always in the best classes and magnet programs (even if that required busing), and when I had bad teachers, my dad got me swapped into the best teacher's class within a week. I even had a similar issue with a teacher, but fortunately that was later in high school and I was able to handl…
Parents need to stay involved in their kids education. Many are forced away due to circumstances they can't control, but too many are willing to abdicate and let things run on autopilot. They they are surprised when their Tesla runs into a firetruck.
The system should work well even for those who don't have knowledgeable parents advocating for them, because most do not, and it's a horrible waste of talent for an entire country to throw away most of their potential geniuses through lack of good education that works for everyone. I was in magnet programs my entire public school life from fourth grade, but most of my peers were similarly privileged students, because the average students' parents didn't even know about the admission exams to get into these programs, let alone how to properly study for them. I got a huge leg up on all of it.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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Well, I don't know if I think a middle-aged man who goes to a rally to hold up a sign saying "NO TRUMP. NO KKK. NO FASCIST USA," is progress over the alt-right. To me it's the exact same thing -- an overly zealous person who takes politics as a tribal game and has no sincere intention of changing anybody's mind.
The exact same thing? That’s one hell of a false equivalence. The alt right aren’t bad people because they are “overzealous”, they are bad people because of their bigotry on the basis of race, religion and national origin.
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
#498What resonated with me is how impossible it is, as a kid, to make sense of being in the school system. The interaction with an administrator was school discipline gone awry... but it could have easily been something else. (Discipline is the most likely, there are tons of misguided zero-tolerance policies.) I'm lucky that my parents were advocates and organizers and that they knew people in the school administration.…
Reminds me of this story https://expo.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/06/75f0f464cb3367... (audio) http://snapjudgment.org/no-one-calls-me-shooter-0 It's basically an autistic kid who was falsely accused by an Oregon public HS of being a potential gunman. All of this based on a vague offhand comment by a random student. The school and police refused to provide details until a few years later. When the school released t…
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> a public school doesn't have that direct penalty That is false
You are correct. Public schools lose funding when enrollment drops but the magnitude of the funds lost and the degree to which those funds affect the total budget of the school is usually much greater at a private school.
This is false
Re: What happened after my 13-year-old son joined the alt-right
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I don't think you can say this is a statement of fact. How are you measuring this?
I'm not measuring it, I just know that people of Jewish origin are dramatically over-represented among journalism, banking, and fields such as physics or CS. It's common knowledge, although I'm sure there are ways to confirm it if you're so interested. (nothing unreasonable about that).