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Re: Blue Moon

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Post by mlindner »

hodder wrote: post #50
ChuckMcM wrote: post #2

I was waiting for this announcement. It is unclear to me how "real" this is; Bezo's claims they can meet the timeline of people on the moon in 2024. Since they aren't flying a heavy booster like the Delta IV heavy or the Falcon Heavy yet, and those platforms took about 10 years to go from concept to first flight. Bezos is suggesting he can do that in 5 years. Perhaps he's considering using the Delta for FHeavy as the…

Unlike Elon Musk, Bezos has a tendency to set more accurate timelines. This is not to say that Space X’s achievements are not incredible. They are. It is just that Elon Musk projection timelines are pretty much always bunk, while Jeff Bezos seems to be better at projecting achievement timelines. Again, what Space X and Blue Origin have achieved are incredible, and yes Space X has an entirely different set of technolo…

Unlike Bezos, Elon Musk actually gets things done. Bezos still hasn't done anything that SpaceShipOne didn't do in 2004 (and that carried people, unlike their current rocket). Their little hopper rocket is leagues away from a proper orbital vehicle. Bezos hasn't given any timelines for New Glenn (their first orbital rocket). People give way too much praise to Bezos.

That's not to mention all the blatant patent trolling and lobbying that Blue Origin/Bezos is engaged in which constantly tries to hinder SpaceX. (Ex: Trying to patent landing on a barge to stop SpaceX doing it. Ex: Successfully lobbying several congresspeople to delay down selection of launch vehicles for military launches (but failed to delay it).)

Blue Origin is big on talk and little on action.

Re: Blue Moon

#112

Post by tjbiddle »

justinator wrote: post #96
justinator wrote: post #87

This whole mini-site looks like an extremely audacious undergrad aerospace engineering group project. Except when I was an undergrad, it was all about going to Mars .

Also the city I live in doesn't have a, "how to get to the Moon" problem, it has a "homeless" problem. The planet I live on also doesn't have a, "how to get to the Moon" problem, it has a climate change problem, a pollution problem, a corrupt political system problem. We've got lots of Hard Problems to solve before we need to go back to the Moon.

Multiple problems can be solved at once. Everyone is passionate about different things - That's what makes the world go round.

Re: Blue Moon

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Post by bemmu »

themodelplumber wrote: post #89
justinator wrote: post #87

This whole mini-site looks like an extremely audacious undergrad aerospace engineering group project. Except when I was an undergrad, it was all about going to Mars .

Joking aside...man, the antialiasing on those leg shadows...pay for a rendering team, guys!

The cargo unloading sounded familiar:

https://youtu.be/hmk1oHzvNKA?t=68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0nlO87evhY&t=949

Re: Blue Moon

#117

Post by asaph »

pacificmint wrote: post #98
mr_toad wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bezos is suggesting he can do that in 5 years. It was “only” 12 years between Sputnik and Apollo 11. You’d think we’d be able to do things faster now.

> It was “only” 12 years between Sputnik and Apollo 11. 12 years, and 4.4% of the federal budget (in the peak). In 2007 dollars they spend around $136 billion to get to the moon.

How much is that in 2019 dollars?

Re: Blue Moon

#118

Post by partingshots »

mlindner wrote: post #111
hodder wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike Elon Musk, Bezos has a tendency to set more accurate timelines. This is not to say that Space X’s achievements are not incredible. They are. It is just that Elon Musk projection timelines are pretty much always bunk, while Jeff Bezos seems to be better at projecting achievement timelines. Again, what Space X and Blue Origin have achieved are incredible, and yes Space X has an entirely different set of technolo…

Unlike Bezos, Elon Musk actually gets things done. Bezos still hasn't done anything that SpaceShipOne didn't do in 2004 (and that carried people, unlike their current rocket). Their little hopper rocket is leagues away from a proper orbital vehicle. Bezos hasn't given any timelines for New Glenn (their first orbital rocket). People give way too much praise to Bezos. That's not to mention all the blatant patent trolli…

Do you have any more reading material on the political lobbying Bezos is having Blue Origin do? That sounds quite interesting.

Re: Blue Moon

#119

Post by Rebelgecko »

muricula wrote: post #42

Blue origin can't build a moon rocket by 2024, so maybe they can settle for the lander. Here's the vision I bet they're aiming for: a Spacex rocket, a United Launch Alliance capsule, a Blue Origin lander, and a round of pork barrel in every Congressional district.

BO makes the engines for Vulcan so they'd probably be fine with a ULA rocket

Re: Blue Moon

#120

Post by yellowapple »

zeristor wrote: post #43
Rebelgecko wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably their New Glenn rocket

They've got New Armstrong pencilled in after New Glenn for taking people to the Moon. I suppose after that would be New Sagan

Would New Sagan be the Amazon-sponsored lightsail-powered generation ship to Alpha Centauri?
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