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Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by bitwize »

scardine wrote: post #26
29athrowaway wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Customizing your window manager to death That is not required to use a Linux desktop.

My pet peeve is the default clipboard behavior, personally I hate when I select text and it overrides the previous content in the clipboard.

There are two clipboards in X11. One is the middle-click-paste, selection clipboard that gets clobbered when you highlight something. But C-x, C-c, and C-v (in CUA applications) operate on a different clipboard altogether that doesn't exhibit this behavior.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by micmil »

1wd wrote: post #41

I'm surprised, is integrating a Linux kernel with Windows not a GPL violation? Is this a "mere aggregation" situation? Are the Linux kernel and other closed source Windows code at no point linked, or exchanging complex internal data structures?

Why would it be? There are specific things you have to do for your code to be considered "integrated" with GPL code and as long as you avoid that there's no issue.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by seanc »

apotatopot wrote: post #2

Just release Office for Linux and this wouldn't be necessary at all.

I've been using Ubuntu on my primary work laptop for years now, and the only real sticking point is video conferencing. Skype for Business and Webex barely work. Google hangouts is n't bad, but often runs into audio trouble with pulse and alsa.

And the real trouble is that you can't just go find the one that works. If your co-workers all use webex then you're stuck.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by skrebbel »

jchw wrote: post #22

I was initially very excited for WSL2, but I do worry it will require Hyper-V to be enabled. I use VMWare Workstation and it’s a true pain to switch Hyper-V on and off. Also, I cant help but worry that this will somehow be a downgrade in some way... will it be just as integrated? Windows Firewall worked on WSL Pico processes for example.

if it needs hyper-v, then what's the point? how is it fundamentally different from just running ubuntu in virtualbox with a shared network drive, then? except where the terminal window is?

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by mixmastamyk »

isbjorn16 wrote: post #31
mixmastamyk wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I put all notifications on my mobile device, it works well. A web app should be able to send OS notifications however, e.g. slack does on my copy of Ubuntu. Believe I had to enable permission once.

That's a good idea; it probably wouldn't matter for me since my phone is muted all day long and I only use my phone if I'm on a coffee quest, but most people are a lot more attached to their phones than I am

I don't mute mine but put it in airplane mode, so no interruptions that I didn't program. Also strobes the flash when an alarm goes off.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by wnevets »

jchw wrote: post #22

I was initially very excited for WSL2, but I do worry it will require Hyper-V to be enabled. I use VMWare Workstation and it’s a true pain to switch Hyper-V on and off. Also, I cant help but worry that this will somehow be a downgrade in some way... will it be just as integrated? Windows Firewall worked on WSL Pico processes for example.

Yeah one of the big selling points of WSL1 was the lack of VM.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by jahewson »

1wd wrote: post #41

I'm surprised, is integrating a Linux kernel with Windows not a GPL violation? Is this a "mere aggregation" situation? Are the Linux kernel and other closed source Windows code at no point linked, or exchanging complex internal data structures?

Given that it requires HyperV it’s running in a manner similar to a VM. That doesn’t require linking and any I/O occurs via the normal channels (CPU interrupts, serial console, etc).

This is similar to how running a userland application on Linux doesn’t require the application to be GPL’d because it’s not directly linked to the kernel. While it interacts with the kernel it is not derived from it.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by orf »

skrebbel wrote: post #54
jchw wrote: post #22

I was initially very excited for WSL2, but I do worry it will require Hyper-V to be enabled. I use VMWare Workstation and it’s a true pain to switch Hyper-V on and off. Also, I cant help but worry that this will somehow be a downgrade in some way... will it be just as integrated? Windows Firewall worked on WSL Pico processes for example.

if it needs hyper-v, then what's the point? how is it fundamentally different from just running ubuntu in virtualbox with a shared network drive, then? except where the terminal window is?

The tight integration of course. And not having to use Virtualbox.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by vbezhenar »

bitwize wrote: post #51
scardine wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My pet peeve is the default clipboard behavior, personally I hate when I select text and it overrides the previous content in the clipboard.

There are two clipboards in X11. One is the middle-click-paste, selection clipboard that gets clobbered when you highlight something. But C-x, C-c, and C-v (in CUA applications) operate on a different clipboard altogether that doesn't exhibit this behavior.

And that is awesome feature that I miss a lot in other operating systems.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by erikbye »

scardine wrote: post #7
apotatopot wrote: post #2

Just release Office for Linux and this wouldn't be necessary at all.

While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box. Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation. Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like wi…

> Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks

Really? I don't know your definition of tweaks, but I've always found macOS requires a bunch of third party apps (often only paid alternatives) to be useful for a power user. Last I checked even its window management support was awful, and in a lot of situations it's impossible to get to where you want without touching the mouse.

KDE works much better out the gate, and is actually an advanced desktop environment in terms of possible customization if that is your bag.

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