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The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by isbjorn16 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #28
isbjorn16 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MSFT employee here. My workstation that I use almost exclusively is Mint. I am one of those people who are, to put it politely, not keen on Google's ad and data sponge tentacles in every last item on the planet, and so I use Firefox as my primary browser. O365 has yet to show me many problems with the O365 suite. The only problem I do have is a complete and utter lack of desktop notifications. I'm late to meetings a…

I put all notifications on my mobile device, it works well. A web app should be able to send OS notifications however, e.g. slack does on my copy of Ubuntu. Believe I had to enable permission once.

That's a good idea; it probably wouldn't matter for me since my phone is muted all day long and I only use my phone if I'm on a coffee quest, but most people are a lot more attached to their phones than I am

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

brianpgordon wrote: post #27

Are there any plans to support graphical guest applications running in a native Windows window, like VMWare Fusion? Their client/server VS Code demo where only the UI runs in Windows seems really bizarre to me. Why not just run X? I suppose you could pipe X over SSH but it would be nice to get built-in support without the hassle or performance penalty.

Cygwin Xorg does this.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by sk0g »

apotatopot wrote: post #2

Just release Office for Linux and this wouldn't be necessary at all.

That's incredibly short sighted, isn't it?

I like to record audio, and use DAWs and plugins/ VSTs.

What about artists who use graphic design or video editing programs? Is your use case the only valid one, for whatever reason?

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by la_barba »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #9
scardine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box. Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation. Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like wi…

I have the same motivation as you, I just want shit that works. But Windows is the absolute last place I find that. All I get are updates that break my setup, constant inane interruptions from Cortana or the desktop or wherever, advertisement tiles in the fucking start menu, forced updates that can't be done in the background, Windows Activation disappearing after hardware upgrades, etc. I feel like I'm in the Stepfo…

Just to add my own anecdote here, I have been getting months of uptime on Windows, since Windows 7. I have a W7 Laptop and a W10 dev workstation that are currently at over 4 months of uptime. https://imgur.com/a/U8fGpCi

Edit: Oops looks like someone rebooted my W7 laptop.. :'(

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by vetinari »

kevingadd wrote: post #8
apotatopot wrote: post #2

Just release Office for Linux and this wouldn't be necessary at all.

How does Office for Linux solve the problem of doing Linux development or using Linux applications on Windows?

It solves it by not needing Windows at all. You can then do Linux development and use Linux applications on Linux.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

jchw wrote: post #22

I was initially very excited for WSL2, but I do worry it will require Hyper-V to be enabled. I use VMWare Workstation and it’s a true pain to switch Hyper-V on and off. Also, I cant help but worry that this will somehow be a downgrade in some way... will it be just as integrated? Windows Firewall worked on WSL Pico processes for example.

I hate the way HyperV messes up networking with its virtual network adapters. It gets complicated with a VPN or LTE connection really quickly. Maybe I’m just doing it wrong, but I’ve never found networking to work properly on a machine with HyperV enabled.

Switching to a virtualization model feels like a step backwards. If I wanted a virtualized Linux on Windows, I’d run a virtual Linux on Windows. WSL is special because it’s a middle ground.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by zamadatix »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #36
jchw wrote: post #22

I was initially very excited for WSL2, but I do worry it will require Hyper-V to be enabled. I use VMWare Workstation and it’s a true pain to switch Hyper-V on and off. Also, I cant help but worry that this will somehow be a downgrade in some way... will it be just as integrated? Windows Firewall worked on WSL Pico processes for example.

I hate the way HyperV messes up networking with its virtual network adapters. It gets complicated with a VPN or LTE connection really quickly. Maybe I’m just doing it wrong, but I’ve never found networking to work properly on a machine with HyperV enabled. Switching to a virtualization model feels like a step backwards. If I wanted a virtualized Linux on Windows, I’d run a virtual Linux on Windows. WSL is special bec…

For PC use you should use the default NAT switch that way your adapters stay physical.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by v_lisivka »

nogridbag wrote: post #25
mbrumlow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What hardware do you use? I use Linux exclusively on all my systems, and have not had any problems at all. So I always wonder what hardware is being used that does not work... For my laptops I use Think pads and various Dell systems. The only thing I always try to make sure when buying a laptop though is it is a Intel CPU with integrated inlet GPU -- just doing that and I have never really had any problems. In any ca…

I believe Linux does not support the "modern standby" sleep state: S0 which allows PCs to behave like your smartphone. It's probably more of a problem with the hardware manufacturers than Linux, but regardless the end result is that it only works on Windows. For example, my Surface Book, when it's working, resumes instantly.

It looks like you right: sleeping in S0 is not supported by Linux, only Windows does this:

ACPI Sleep States (S0 - S5)

•S0: Normal Powered-On state

•S1 Standby

•S2: Not supported

•S3 Suspend to Ram

•S4 Suspend to Disk

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by SubiculumCode »

emptyfile wrote: post #6
sameoldfears wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. We just moved to 365. I am thinking about wiping my work win10 and just installing Linux and using all the web versions.

I disagree, when I finally got the option of running a Postgresql server in WSL in Windows 10, I uninstalled Linux and never look back. Linux on desktop is a bad joke.

Funny. I think my Mate Desktop works pretty damn well.

Re: The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [video]

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Post by ccffph »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #9
scardine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box. Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation. Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like wi…

I have the same motivation as you, I just want shit that works. But Windows is the absolute last place I find that. All I get are updates that break my setup, constant inane interruptions from Cortana or the desktop or wherever, advertisement tiles in the fucking start menu, forced updates that can't be done in the background, Windows Activation disappearing after hardware upgrades, etc. I feel like I'm in the Stepfo…

as usual, the pirated enterprise editions with telemetry disabled work really well.
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