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Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by pvaldes » Thu, May 09, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

c0vfefe wrote: post #309

pvaldes wrote: post #266

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This should not happen. Another rule is that you must not to put yourself on top of the victim or walk crossing over the body of other people. Is disrespectful and can be dangerous also. You have to sidestep it and approach from one of the sides.

Somehow I doubt that a side position would substantially improve the situation for either party if the woman still feels violated.

I understand how social rules about touching other people can differ in different cultures, but a side position looks clearly different to a "riding" position to me in this sense.

People feel often ashamed, can feel humiliated, violated, happy, sad, or anything their want, but they have to understand that CPR means that 1) you life is at risk and 2) some stranger(s) will put their mouth in yours and their hands near your breasts for some time. Period of time that can last for many minutes or even hours. Often longer than the duration of most violations. There is often a legal obligation to do it for some people. To pass and quit the area is not an option.

Sorry but there is no time to find a young sexually acceptable partner for you to happily wake up in her/his arms and upload your booze adventure to instagram, forever-happy style. Deal with it. There is nothing sexually arousing in the experience for the rescuers about your vomit taste or about your body leaking different kinds of fluids over yourself. Not even remotely.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by h3throw » Thu, May 09, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

Mistletoe wrote: post #306

ggreer wrote: post #240

If it is, it's not due to CO2. The US Navy's submarines are run with CO2 levels varying from 300-11,300ppm.[1] The military did plenty of studies in the 60s and 70s and failed to find significant cognitive effects in environments as high as 4% CO2.[2] > Thus, CO2 at 40,000 ppm for 2 weeks did not affect performance on multiple tests of cognitive function in physically fit young airmen, a population probably not unlik…

How do we reconcile the fact that these Navy studies don't seem to match other more modern CO2 studies in the lesswrong thread? https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pPZ27eZdBXtGuLqZC/what-is-up... Maybe I'm missing it but it seems like most of the studies I click on there see an effect at CO2 levels that are much less than tens of thousands ppm. Gwern has this to say about the Navy studies- "they often were not using sens…

There's a big difference between seeing high concentrations of carbon dioxide as indicative of poor ventilation and seeing high concentrations of carbon dioxide itself as detrimental to cognitive function.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by TrustAndSafety » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

eveningcoffee wrote: post #302

prepend wrote: post #299

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I think the military has a strong incentive to not have submarine crews with impaired intellectual and physical activities so they can perform as designed.

If they had then why perform the study? They clearly wanted to optimize this cost.

because they clearly wanted to optimize the performance of the crews.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by teekert » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #307

teekert wrote: post #284

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2 hours in a meeting room is just plain exhausting, I'm 100% certain than I am more willing to compromise or walk out with shitty decisions by the end of it.

Are you sure that's due to CO2 and not just not liking 2 hour discussions with people?

I'm pretty sure it's due to not liking 2 hour discussions with people.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by Diederich » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:41 PM UTC

Double_a_92 wrote: post #298

HuShifang wrote: post #168

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Interesting. I'm an American, and once sustained a bloody but minor scrape of my knee when playing basketball in China. I went to the campus clinic/dispensary to obtain some bandages, since I couldn't find any that were the right size at the nearby convenience store; there, the staff practically tried to admit me, telling me that I had sustained a very serious injury and that I needed to take it seriously and start a…

In China it's much more common to take antibiotica for minor reasons. Also big (area wise) skin wounds can get infected even if they are not bleeding.

Correct me if I'm wrong: I think that a wound that is bleeding is a wound that's, at least in part, being protected from infection by 'internal positive pressure'.

My grandpa taught me that; to let wounds bleed freely for a while, if possible, to reduce the chance of infection.

I wonder how valid that is.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by notJim » Thu, May 09, 2019, 5:59 PM UTC

_Nat_ wrote: post #227

notJim wrote: post #164

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Oh god, it's already happening.

Plus the comment 4 levels up had "C02" rather than "CO2". I searched for why people do this 1337-substitution [1], and apparently the justification's that "C02" can be quicker to type on some mobile keyboards since "0" is a single press while "O" requires hitting Shift too. But in chemistry, we'd often write chemical formulae in linear format. For example, "H2O" is water while "C6H12O6" refers to some simple sugars.…

Lol, you gotta chill out.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by oliv__ » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

Mistletoe wrote: post #5

I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

Try owning an EMF meter and not going out of your mind.

The levels of constant radiation we are being subjected to on a daily basis are just off the charts in urban environments.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by tempestn » Thu, May 09, 2019, 7:07 PM UTC

c0vfefe wrote: post #308

Thiez wrote: post #236

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You can sue anyone for just about anything. But it doesn't seem like a very winnable case to me. Maybe in some crazy jurisdictions. Many places have 'good Samaritan' laws that protect people who are not medical professionals when they cause injuries during a good faith attempt to safe someone's life. I would assume injuries to someone's modesty are included... At the end of the day, would you rather let a woman in ne…

There's also the court of public opinion to consider, in which actual legal standing is irrelevant. Small comfort if you successfully rebuff a suit but lose your reputation in the process.

Not to mention the hassle and expense of defending yourself.

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Post by dangravell » Thu, May 09, 2019, 7:18 PM UTC

ghostly_s wrote: post #196

maxlybbert wrote: post #56

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When I was in elementary school, one of my classmates ended up missing school for a while because of a bad heater and carbon monoxide poisoning. That freaked me out. But everything I read was that this was a relatively new problem because newer houses were less drafty than old houses. It wasn’t clear to me (at the time) whether old houses were draftier when built, although I have to assume they were (otherwise carbon…

Yes, building standards have changed dramatically in the last 50 years. In particular, plastic "house wrap" vapor barriers are standard now, which is a product that had be precedent. There is a tremendous amount of air exchange even through a well-built 'solid' wall with no vapor barrier.

A vapour barrier is different to an air barrier... An airtight membrane is not necessarily vapour tight.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Post by h3throw » Thu, May 09, 2019, 8:31 PM UTC

ggreer wrote: post #279

Tade0 wrote: post #262

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My take is that it's the oxygen level. A drop from the usual 21% to 19.5% is enough to have a significant effect. That's barely a few hours worth of breathing in a typical office setting.

I don’t think that’s true. People in Denver don’t seem dull but they are breathing 17% less air (and oxygen) per breath than people at sea level.

That could very well be an affect of long term acclimation.