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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by shostack »

oldjokes wrote: post #449
dotBen wrote: post #29

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Yup, they just did a Twitter. I lived through the Twitter ecosystem collapse and now I'm a VC I worry about investing in startups that are built on any large ecosystem where there isn't an alignment of clear economic interest. Google of all people doing this just made it tougher for everyone else to maintain confidence in large vendor platforms.

Google and Amazon are ruthlessly strangling tech startups and smaller mom & pop shops that latch on to something and see a big spike in sales. They have all the data on these companies already, and people are just waiting to jump in and takeover or destroy a company completely regardless of industry or location. They just borg cube consume any success and very few people make any money in this process. This is happen…

Do you have sources to cite on this?

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by busymom0 »

shostack wrote: post #581
oldjokes wrote: post #449

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Google and Amazon are ruthlessly strangling tech startups and smaller mom & pop shops that latch on to something and see a big spike in sales. They have all the data on these companies already, and people are just waiting to jump in and takeover or destroy a company completely regardless of industry or location. They just borg cube consume any success and very few people make any money in this process. This is happen…

Do you have sources to cite on this?

Reminds me of this:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/19/18140799/amazon-marketpl...

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by moccachino »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #558
moccachino wrote: post #492

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There was a discussion about exactly that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19604135 Ironically I could not find this link via DDG, but it was the first hit on Google.

Matbe it’s cuz google knows you frequent hacker news....

I used site:news.ycombinator.com on both engines

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by rmc »

ralfd wrote: post #496
gaius_baltar wrote: post #460

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> Every semi-successful feature had to get G+ integration to maximize the adoption of G+. Also, forced Youtube integration and G+ accounts being required even to rate Android apps.

Funny that G+ was still ignored despite this effort.

Some times people say "What if $COMPANY goes evil?". But if Google couldn't make G+ successful, then them going evil shouldn't be too concerning. They're clearly not as powerful as one could think

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by wil421 »

Just bought a home this year and I am so glad I went with Ecobee and Ubiquiti Unifi cameras.

If your model is a subscription service I don’t want your product. Especially if they are acquired by Google. Google has acquired and killed (or killed their own products) more products than almost any company I use.

I don’t even want Alexa so I just turn it off.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by Retroity »

Despegar wrote: post #27
bhhaskin wrote: post #6

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Another reminder to never buy a "smart" device. At the end of the day they are pretty dumb.

Once again HomeKit's design proves to be prescient. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/3/16083996/internet-of-shit-...

Samsung's SmartThings seems to be pretty similar. Not sure about it's security though.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by rtkwe »

otakucode wrote: post #537
dopamean wrote: post #494

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my memory of wave is that it barely even launched. wasn't it around less than a year? did anyone actually use it?

My group of friends tried to. It could have been quite successful, since it basically offered what Discord is now.

How? I guess you could use it like a chat room just putting new messages at the bottom of the document but seems like a crazy kludge to use Wave as a chat.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

j03m1 wrote: post #448
djsumdog wrote: post #419

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The writers were big Sci-Fi fans. The Asari were heavily influenced by the Minbari of Babylon 5. There are lots of other callouts to classic Sci-Fi in the series.

That ending tho. Unforgivable.

I will always be mad about the ME3 ending. If reincarnation is something that happens, my reincarnated self will be mad about the ME3 ending from birth.

What a godamn waste.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by thinkling »

Klathmon wrote: post #521
Zenst wrote: post #482

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Reading thru it, it is not as brutal as it sounds, more that the they merged it into the Google Assistant API, removing direct access permission to the NEST device (remember microphone-gate with NEST) and consolidating those permissions into Assistant. Whilst they are killing it off, they have a transition. However, as far as timelines go - August 2019 kill off date for the NEST API is brutal and not exactly the grac…

I've posted here a few times, but from what I can see at this point, these things (which I use on a daily basis and are the major reasons why I went with Nest): * Can't get Nest camera or Nest doorbell video or images programmatically (without asking a google home device directly). This was the main reason why I sold my Ring and bought a Nest, since Ring didn't allow real time video streaming) * Can't programmaticall…

> Can't [do stuff anymore] (without asking a google home device directly)

So what we need is a small piece of text-to-speech hardware that will speak commands to your Google Assistant device.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by Klathmon »

thinkling wrote: post #589
Klathmon wrote: post #521

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I've posted here a few times, but from what I can see at this point, these things (which I use on a daily basis and are the major reasons why I went with Nest): * Can't get Nest camera or Nest doorbell video or images programmatically (without asking a google home device directly). This was the main reason why I sold my Ring and bought a Nest, since Ring didn't allow real time video streaming) * Can't programmaticall…

> Can't [do stuff anymore] (without asking a google home device directly) So what we need is a small piece of text-to-speech hardware that will speak commands to your Google Assistant device.

I've actually already thought about that a bit! Apparently there's a hacker still inside me with a penchant for self-torture that really wants to see how far I can take that interface!

Technically you can do text input in the app already, and I believe they have an SDK that allows you to send your own info to the assistant and get responses of some kind. I'm honestly not sure about that, but i'm curious to see if there is something there I can work with. (and if the pricing model of it follows other google APIs, their "free" tier is probably more than enough to handle a single user, and each hacker-oriented "user" could just setup their own project which is how we also used the nest APIs).

I can then find a set of "commands" that I can feed to the "HID" (for lack of a better term), and create an extremely unofficial API around that...

Getting video back is going to be tough, but maybe with some extreme abuse of the chromecast APIs and that same HID->API interface I can get the google assistant to "cast" the camera feed to a faked chromecast and then pull the stream from there...

But as much as I like to daydream about that kind of stuff, i'm not going to do it. I don't need my google account shut down for abuse (imo probably rightfully so in that case, i'm sure that's against all kinds of terms!), and I don't want to support this decision if they do end up going through with this and don't provide an adequate replacement. So I'll probably just sell my Nest devices like I did previously with my Ring, and find another solution that won't pull the rug out from under me.

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